Paul C Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 What is wrong with this one? I can see the first Austrian medal is in the wrong place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 It's the SECOND Austrian one that makes me go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 (edited) IS this bar bad or MAY it be bad? The picture isn't the best and the Austrian's place isn't to wrong if the bar is from 1938. I've never seens the second Austrian award before on a German bar - is it impossible to be there?PS: as it's an Bavarian's bar it's not just from 1934 with the Ehrenkreuz but at least from 1936 - look at the precedence! Can as well be from 1938 which makes the Austrian a German war award, anywere between the other German war awards from Saxony, Hamburg and Preu?en ... Edited January 29, 2008 by saschaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Tezer Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 My first question would be whether the Bavarian MVO 3rd class is real. If that's an awarded original, I would be hard-pressed to imagine anyone putting together a fake bar with one, as they are extremely hard to come by. Been looking to get one myself.... Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 My first question would be whether the Bavarian MVO 3rd class is real. If that's an awarded original, I would be hard-pressed to imagine anyone putting together a fake bar with one, as they are extremely hard to come by. Been looking to get one myself.... TimThat was also my exact thought... I would love to see this bar in "flesh"! Any comments on the Colonial bars? Are they real? I am really not a specialist in this field... Furthermore I have to say that, although the pictures are big enough, there quite blurry and it's difficult to distinguish the fine details of the single orders and medals.Ciao,Claudio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Heiko?They just look much too tall and too shallow in relief to me. I know this is hardly the best of images, being a 1970s camera photo taken by Don Frailey and sent to me when he owned St. Henry winner Major Lukas Kirsten's medal bar (sold in the Siebentritt auction in 2002):Paul has identified a Best Potential Suspect (the Oldenburg and Hamburg cannot be confirmed) but I cannot get over that Carinthian Cross. Nor can I confirm the suspect's (and remember our No Identifications During Ongoing Sales rule!) BARS on the China medal. I would have turned this down right away since the only close candidate had a BMV4XmKr and then a BMV3X until Bernd said the 4th had to be returned when the 3rd was awarded-- I thought both could be worn.Returns being the rule, there IS a chance this medal bar is good... but I sure wouldn't shell out the amount of cash involved on blurry scans like the seller is using.1) the prevalence of BMV3X frauds2) the 1919 Carinthian Cross3) the ? China battle bars4) the peculiar mounting precedence (Austrian before other German WW1 awards, Jubilee after XXIV)5) the most common style "flat bottom" mounting used by fakers (even though it was a real style) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Here's a detail of the BMVO.... difficult to see if it's a real GOLD piece or just a silver gilted... if it's the silver gilt one I would keep my hands off it. But why hasn't the seller described this very important detail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 The back shows that it's not quite the typical "flat bottom", which I hate and I'd never buy if it's not a pure Bavarian bar with either some provenance documents to prove it or very rare orders on it. It looks rather like a quite messy bar ribbon's construction. I would think it's okay if it was a typical bar made in the early 20ies, but this bar was, if original, made not before 1934-35! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 (edited) I still have an actually good feeling with this one. Might please someone link it, I couldn't find it on eGay. A good feeling is not enough for such a bar ... PS: it screams "Navy!" to me but cannot be, as a Bavarian in the navy should wear the Prussian Dienstauszeichnungskreuz - so something else ... Edited January 31, 2008 by saschaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Hi Sascha,To have a good feeling it's good, but not enough... I would really like to know from guys like Heiko, what he thinks of the Colonial clasps and from other ones (especially on the German forums) if the BMVO is the real deal... from the pictures it's pratically impossible to give an educated opinion, just like you said, feel good about it! And spend more than 2 grants just because a feeling (like a did in the past, unfortunately!) it's not sufficent. I'd rather wait for a text book Godet or one with a plausible combination of orders which could lead to identify the owner.Ciao,Claudio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 that was my thought too..... who would put expensive original parts on a new build fake bar???????In my eyes the battle clasps are good, it is the type with the two = as shown in my picture..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernd D Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 The BMVO3x looks good to me. I don?t think there is a problem with it.I have a problem with the battle clasps. The combination is not possible (Marines/Army) according to my knowledge. And I don?t like the first two once. I have no problem with HOPHU.Bernd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Posted February 1, 2008 Author Share Posted February 1, 2008 here is the linkhttp://cgi.ebay.com/IMP-GERMAN-CHINA-BOXER...1QQcmdZViewItem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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