Names of some MMJO knights

[Dave Danner]

Can anyone with access to a copy of Bayerns Goldenes Ehrenbuch or Virtuti Pro Patria check these and give me their first/given names?

____ Ritter von Dreher - IR3

____ Ritter von Bengl - IR10

____ Ritter von Finsterlin - IR4

____ Ritter von Goß - IR20

____ Ritter von Schramm - IR4

____ Ritter von Maußner - 2.FußAR, 6.FußAR

____ Ritter von Müller - 1.PBtl

____ Ritter von Mußbach - RIR12

____ Ritter von Narr - 8.FAR

____ Ritter von Nerz - 8.FAR

____ Ritter von Neubert - JBtl1

____ Ritter von Rudolph (supposedly stricken from the MMJO roles in 1926)

____ Ritter von Sailer - IR21

Thanks in advance!

Edited November 1, 2023 by Dave Danner
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[Ulsterman]

Dreher=Paul

Bengel=Joseph

Finsterlin=Ludwig

Schramm=Wilhelm

Maussner=Joseph

Muller=Maximillian

Mussbach=Heinrich

Rudolph=Ludwig

Sailor=Gustav

Neubert=Hans

Do not have Narr, Nerz or Goss.

[Wild Card]

Goss = Franz

Nerz = Lothar

Sorry, nothing on Narr

[Guest Rick Research]

There was a Paul Narr dR in BFAR 6 before the war but not an MMJO winner.

[Dave Danner]

Thanks everyone.

Oddly, I already had Narr. He is Gottfried Ritter von Narr. He was a Leutnant with 8. Feldartillerie-Regiment Prinz Heinrich von Preußen, assigned to Kampffl.Sch. OHL I, and killed in action on 18 October 1917 at Valenciennes. He is buried in Frasnoy (Nord) cemetery. He was born on 31 March 1893 in Würzburg.

Given all of O'Connor's work, it's odd that not only could an MMJO Knight disappear into the woodwork, but that an aviator MMJO Knight could.

If he is not on your list, I see three possibilities: (i) the lists are incomplete, (ii) he was stricken from the rolls or (iii) the Ehren-Rangliste incorrectly lists him as "Ritter von".

Edited November 1, 2023 by Dave Danner
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[Dave Danner]

Also, there is apparently another Ritter von Müller besides the aviator Max. This one was a Leutnant in 1. Pionier-Bataillon and survived the war.

Edited November 1, 2023 by Dave Danner
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[Rick]

FWIW, he is given in the Zickerick listing as compiled by von Eberhardt as just Ltn. Gottfried Narr, (not Ritter von). R.

Edited September 29, 2005 by Rick

[Guest Rick Research]

Gottfried Narr was most assuredly NOT an MMJO recipient-- in neither the "Virtuti Pro Patria" nor in the published roll.

In April 1916 (page 127) he was plain old Gottfried Narr, holding MVO4X and EK2.

It's simply a proofreading error in the Honor Rank List-- and part of what makes research a matter of checking, rechecking, and verifying. There are some hideous errors in Weimar Rank Lists, for instance-- one of which cost me an ID for 15 years because I checked 1926 and NOT also 1931.

They goofed just like anybody else.