james Stewart Posted October 10, 2005 Share Posted October 10, 2005 (edited) I have just bought this set of "Fat Commanders" , 8x60. (blc).They have been in private ownership since 1947 , my buying them is the first sale of the set since then.The paint finish black over the pea green is a long standing finish and I am sure it dates from service use.Benutzer is missing , I would be delighted I anyone can help me replace it - this is something I want to get done.Optically they are good, as I intend to use them I am going to have them cleaned - light cleaning of the prisms will bring them up perfectly.Two of the filters are present which came as a great surprise to me.My father acquired at set rom a boat at Lisahally sold a set of these in later that year (45) to an American officer for ?40 , I must admit these cost a little more but I am well pleased with them. The set number is 50090[attachmentid=12764] Edited October 10, 2005 by james Stewart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james Stewart Posted October 10, 2005 Author Share Posted October 10, 2005 A view of the reverse side of the set.[attachmentid=12765] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hunter Posted October 10, 2005 Share Posted October 10, 2005 Are they KM marked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james Stewart Posted October 10, 2005 Author Share Posted October 10, 2005 Are they KM marked?Bob- these sets did not carry the full Kgm mark of the eagle over M, just the three letter makers code and the glass number. ( Se attached jpeg).I have just had a mail from Hans Seeger who thinks that the black may not be a war time application , good news is its wearing off . [attachmentid=12782] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hunter Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 A nifty pair of binoculars that will only get better when you clean the optics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james Stewart Posted October 11, 2005 Author Share Posted October 11, 2005 A nifty pair of binoculars that will only get better when you clean the optics. Some people would not clean these , it would change them and alter what they are.Bottom line is sooner or later if they are left long enough they will degrade completly and be just a useless hunk of metal.Perhaps not in my lifetime , but if they are to be used why not have them doing what they were made to do and to a standrad which would be acceptable back in 43-45.Yes looking foraerd to being able to use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hunter Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Usually you will find me in the "leave it alone camp" but there are exceptions and, as you note, this is a good one. Just ain't no substitute for common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james Stewart Posted October 11, 2005 Author Share Posted October 11, 2005 (edited) I have two sets of blc's which are uncleaned - no internal problems bright , and perfect.They have never been "openned" in one set the desicator cells are still working perfectly.I guess its luck of the draw - depends on what way they have been looked after and in what enviroment they have been kept.Dougie Biggart ( Glasgow Binocular Repairs) told me about a set of 8x60 leitz that he sees every year for cleaning , in they come in fogged up.I know of one major collector who has a room full of rare binoculars - he never uses them and rarely even picks them up. None are ever cleaned to be used , he would never consider using any of them .The sets range from mint conditioned examples to sets which are really only up to be considered for spare parts, each totheir own but reducing them to ornaments to be ignored to me just does not seem right.We are the owners of items for our generation only - we must accept some duty of care for items which are of historical interest. My "2d" for what its worth.Attached an untouched km marked set .[attachmentid=12845] Edited October 11, 2005 by james Stewart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james Stewart Posted October 15, 2005 Author Share Posted October 15, 2005 two jpegs of the set as they are now.I have made a start at removing the black paint which was a post war coating , the pea green colouring is being exposed and at the moment the set is more green than black.[attachmentid=13358] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james Stewart Posted October 15, 2005 Author Share Posted October 15, 2005 View into the prism housing. The two glass prisms are held in a "cage" which secured to the body of the binocular.When taken out to be cleaned they were both badly marked by gassed out lubricant which would in time degrade the optical surfaces.Cleaned with acetone and then with an optical cleaning fluid they came up 100%.All the major component parts are matched numbers.The change from black to green can clearly be seen .[attachmentid=13359] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james Stewart Posted October 15, 2005 Author Share Posted October 15, 2005 View into the prism housing. The two glass prisms are held in a "cage" which secured to the body of the binocular.When taken out to be cleaned they were both badly marked by gassed out lubricant which would in time degrade the optical surfaces.Cleaned with acetone and then with an optical cleaning fluid they came up 100%.All the major component parts are matched numbers.The change from black to green can clearly be seen .A rubber gasket provides a 100% water proof seal against the elements.[attachmentid=13359] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guntherprien Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 A view of the reverse side of the set.[attachmentid=12765]hello james here are my navy binos my 8x60 is repainted in the war in military green hans seeger is a good friend from my and hey told my hey have exactly the sameohne in his collection greetzgunther Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guntherprien Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 hello james here are my navy binos my 8x60 is repainted in the war in military green hans seeger is a good friend from my and hey told my hey have exactly the sameohne in his collection greetzguntherbetter foto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james Stewart Posted October 26, 2006 Author Share Posted October 26, 2006 better fotoGunther - some nice stuff there , UZO and a fat girl ! The UZO - looks great - I have examples of the oter sets you have - apart from the leitz - I sold two of them over the past few years and now wish I had kept one. The two 7x50 Ubglas look to be in good order , Hans Seeger - a very good man thanks for the look Gunther Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Dixon Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 JS,I know your post is about a year old, but if you are still looking for the benutzer for your 8x60, there is a guy on ebay selling some now. Repros and mega expensive but might be worth you having a look.Cheers,Brett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james Stewart Posted October 27, 2006 Author Share Posted October 27, 2006 Brett,Thanks for the shout on the Benutrzer.There are two gents one UK based, theother USA based who are selling reproduction Benutzers.Prices ?120 UK and ?157 for USA products.All in all expensive for a reproduction.Having said that a period replacement will sting at about ?200 , which is insane but that is what is being asked for them .Thanks again Brett.james S.JS,I know your post is about a year old, but if you are still looking for the benutzer for your 8x60, there is a guy on ebay selling some now. Repros and mega expensive but might be worth you having a look.Cheers,Brett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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