one more red eagle thread ...

[Christian L]

i want to follow and show a mini of a red eagle order - its a big mini of the early 4th class - no enamel in the center

so, what do you think?

(hope the pics are ok - if not, i'll try to get better ones on the weekend)

christian

[Stogieman]

Hi Christian... it is odd to think of this as "early" when the arms are pebbled as in the "late" style. What are the dimensions? never seen one like this before?

[medalnet]

Very interesting, is it hollow?

[Christian L]

its 21 mm from arm to arm, and massive! (but very thin)

(not thought about the pebbling and the medaillon - so its very strange, but the details are really good, and its, at least for me, no know copy)

hope you can help me, bringing light into the darkness!

christian

[Stogieman]

Hi Christian, I wasn't thinking copy........ just curious as to the mixture of "early/late" styles. I think the workmanship is too good to be a copy.

[Christian L]

so whats it - or better say it like this: who "needed" an early center late arms mini?

christian

[Stogieman]

An excellent question Christian..... I think not so much made special for someone, lapel chains & buttoniers, barettes, etc. date back to the Napoleonic eras..... but it sure would be interesting if there was anyway to delineate exactly what era this piece was from!

[Daniel Murphy]

An excellent question Christian..... I think not so much made special for someone, lapel chains & buttoniers, barettes, etc. date back to the Napoleonic eras..... but it sure would be interesting if there was anyway to delineate exactly what era this piece was from!

If I remember correctly, the 4th model was introduced in 1864. The first model was used c.1830 as I recall, so it would be someone who was awarded the 1st model and needed a mini after 1864. Not that big of a stretch, perhaps he displayed his original and told the jeweler he "needed a mini like this" That is the only reason I can think of that it would have been made with no enamel. The jeweler is not going to turn away business and made him what he wanted.

Dan Murphy

[Stogieman]

Interesting and plausible theory. I've been going through my archives and I cannot find a single mini for the RAO like this. But again, I would date every example I've seen as post 1910...