Josef Rietveld Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 (edited) Very interesting. Never seen this type before. Can we have close-ups of the cross and the miniature? the box is IMHO an very early rothe one dating arround 1870are there any hallmarks on the loop? have a look at the wardecoration is it one gilded piece or ist it made of silver with an visible gold-overlay when you look at the sideface. i hope this is the correct term.regardsjosef Edited July 27, 2008 by Josef Rietveld
Eric Stahlhut Posted July 27, 2008 Author Posted July 27, 2008 the two loops are joined so they cannot swivel (one piece). there are two marks: one at 6'oclock and one at 9 o'clock.here is left mark. sorry for poor pic quality. did not want to damage ribbon.
Josef Rietveld Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 as far as i know miniatures were worn on tailcoats and frocks. Miniatures of MVK's without KD (wardecoration) are rare. Normally the officers who were awarded peacetime-crosses and quit service went into the reserve and were allowed to continue wearing uniform at official events.josef
Eric Stahlhut Posted July 27, 2008 Author Posted July 27, 2008 if you would like any other views, just askthank you, gents!
Josef Rietveld Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 @eric, thanks for the close-ups.i'am a liitle bit confused. caould it be that your cross was later golded or painted gold?I myself can't ID the hallmarks but the way reverse of the wardecoration is done, as ductile as the frontside, i only know from pieces after 1918, often done by german manufacturers. normally the reverse looks like this. so i personally thin that cross and box dont match each other.the miniature is very beautifull and IMHO and older one. BTW if you ever want to get rid of it :rolleyes:
Eric Stahlhut Posted July 27, 2008 Author Posted July 27, 2008 wow, josef-- i see that you like mvk's like i like ek's here is another view
Elmar Lang Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 Hello,in my opinion, it's a late, wartime piece.I've seen that Kriegsdekoration with identical obverse and reverse already.It would also be necessary to identify the marks.Best wishes,Enzo
ccj Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 @eric, thanks for the close-ups.i'am a liitle bit confused. caould it be that your cross was later golded or painted gold?I myself can't ID the hallmarks but the way reverse of the wardecoration is done, as ductile as the frontside, i only know from pieces after 1918, often done by german manufacturers. normally the reverse looks like this. so i personally thin that cross and box dont match each other.the miniature is very beautifull and IMHO and older one. BTW if you ever want to get rid of it That is too many for one man. Please send no less than one to me. VERY IMPRESSIVE
Eric Stahlhut Posted July 27, 2008 Author Posted July 27, 2008 enzo, josef, and charles i will take clear pics of the marks as soon as the batteries for my camera are recharged. i will also-at some point- start another thread showing a 2nd class w/k.d. (neck decoration) cheers, all!
Josef Rietveld Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 wow, josef-- i see that you like mvk's like i like ek's Could be. If you really really like them imho it looks like gold-paint. i have one cross where the reverse is very close to the cross you showed and it is definitely post-1918 but NO hallmarks. personally i believe that your mvk is also post-1918. but maybe someone is able?to ID the hallmarks.sorry for bad pics but i'am missing daylight. josef
Josef Rietveld Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 That is too many for one man. Please send no less than one to me. VERY IMPRESSIVEUnfortunately it is only the beginning of a slippery road @erica really good idea. i always like to see 2nd classes. maybe elmar can add some pictures aswell.regardsjosef
Josef Rietveld Posted July 28, 2008 Posted July 28, 2008 does this help at all?No help for me.BTW, I have to appologize for flooding this thread with MY MVKs. when it comes to this collecting area i'am always a liitle bit over-motivated . I pledge that i will work on this in the future.josef
Peter Orincsay Posted July 31, 2008 Posted July 31, 2008 What does the " K.D " stad for? I have seen this on similar boxes from this time.GreetingsP?ter
Josef Rietveld Posted July 31, 2008 Posted July 31, 2008 What does the " K.D " stad for? I have seen this on similar boxes from this time.GreetingsP?terKriegsdekoration = Wardecorationthere exist also very rare and funny boxes from 1860/70 where ist written F.D. = Friedensdekoration = peacetime decoration regardsJosef
Iver Posted December 2, 2008 Posted December 2, 2008 Eric Stahlhut: I have discussed photos with a kolege (my collecting Guru ), and:Case is old piece as, Josef has already written... MVK is production after 1914Miniature is made after 1920 and was originaly on an evening dress chain...So it "don?t belongs together..."
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