Ribbon bar identifications

[Alexandre]

Hello Gentlemen,

Im trying to identificate the awards in the ribbon bar of Generalstabsintendant Karl Jansch

Can anyone help me ?

Thx in advance

Regards

[Guest Rick Research]

Aside from his birthdate 15.10.1883 and his rank date as Intendant 1.11.38 I have absolutely no record of his existence on the planet Earth before the May 1939 army Beamten Stellenliste.

Even Keilig spelled his name wrong--back in 1958-- as "Jausch."

Without knowing what he was during the First War-- that left ZERO trace-- some of these are not knowable:

1) Iron Cross 2nd Class 1914

2) war Merit Cross 2nd Class X 1939

3) ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

4) Hindenburg Cross X

5) Austrian WW1 Commemorative medal X

6) ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

7) Wehrmacht long service (somehow )

8) Wehrmacht long service (somehow )

9) ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

10) ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

If this photo has been copied from his entry in the Hildebrand Generals series, as posted online by internet copyright pirates, then knowing WHAT he was 1914+ and WHERE he was born would help. The scan is too small and blurry to see his ribbons clearly and his complete obscurity and lack of ANY career paper trail is baffling!

[Daniel Krause]

I am fairly sure this guy was Austrian.

After the KVK seems to ba a Austrian war ribbon with whatever device and after the WW1 Medal from Austria seems to be a Karynthian Cross.

Best regards

Daniel

[Guest Rick Research]

That would be bizarre too--

I thought maybe it was the ?M3K in 3rd place (indicative of a combatant officer ) but can't tell from the scan-- but that ALONE? No Troop Cross... no routine Signum Laudis Medals... no 1908 (25 years old...) Franz Joseph Jubilee Cross (hmmmm, maybe that IS it on the end, after a 1938 Anschluss Medal?) ... none of the usual normal K.u.k. stuff....

and yet DID get a 1914 EK2-- sparsely handed out to Austrian officers with GOOD records, let alone this Invisible Man????

Weird weird weird.

From... NOTHING... to "General!" :speechless1:

[Glenn J]

Gentlemen,

Generalstabsintendant Karl Jansch was indeed an Austrian. Born 15 Oct 1883 in Vienna and died 30 Oct 1969 also in Vienna. Originally an infantry officer he became a military intendance official at the outbreak of war in August 1914. He did serve throughout the interwar years with the Bundesheer until taken into the Wehrmacht in March 1938. He apparently served as chief of military district administration in Bohemia-Moravia throughout the war. Regrettably my Bundesheer army lists are now back in the UK but I will check his decorations next month. The photograph is not from the Biblio series and is in fact much much better than the apalling picture in volume six of the "Generals".

Regards

Glenn

[Guest Rick Research]

:Cat-Scratch: Well THAT is a relief!! I was starting to think he was an extra-terrestrial!

SO:

that would mean his two Wehrmacht long service awrads are the gold 25 and 12. That must be the 1908 Jubilee Cross in last place.

It is still an extremely weird combination of awards!!!!!!!!!

[Alexandre]

Hello Guys,

Thx a lot for your support...

I have a short bio about Generalstabsintendant Karl Jansch

Born: 15 Oct 1883 in Vienna (Wien)

Died: 30 Oct 1969 in Vienna (Wien)

Promotions:

Kadett-Offiziersstellvertreter (18 Aug 1904)

Leutnant (01 Nov 1905)

Oberleutnant (01 Nov 1911)

Milit?r-Unterintendant (01 Aug 1914)

Milit?r-Intendant (01 Jan 1920)

Milit?r-Oberintendant II. Klasse (01 Nov 1921)

Milit?r-Intendantur-Rat (02 Jul 1926)

Milit?r-Oberintendant-Rat (31 Aug 1927)

Oberstintendant (01 Jan 1936)

Generalintendant (01 Jan 1938)

Gewneralstabsintendant (01 Oct 1941)

Career:

Entered Austrian Army Service (18 Jun 1904)

Passed Out the Infantry-Cadet-School as Kadett-Offiziersstellvertreter in the 2nd Field-J?ger-Battalion (16 Aug 1904-01 Aug 1913)

Assigned to the Intendancy of XVI. Corps (01 Aug 1913-06 Nov 1918)

Assigned to the Intendancy of Military-Command Klagenfurt (06 Nov 1918-28 Oct 1920)

Director of Economic-Department of Army-Administration-Office Klagenfurt (28 Oct 1920-01 Jul 1923)

Intendancy-Chief with 6th Brigade-Command (01 Jul 1923-01 Jul 1924)

Intendant of Army-Administration-Office Klagenfurt (01 Jul 1924-01 Jun 1925)

Advisor in Department 7 of the Federal Ministry for Army Matters (01 Jun 1925-15 Mar 1938)

Transferred into the German Army (15 Mar 1936)

Chief of Military-District-Administration Bohemia & Moravia (1939-08 May 1945)

In Captivity (08 May 1945-1946)

Released (1946)

these informations can help to identify any more award ?

BTW , this picture is from Axis History Forum - officers identification thread

Thx Gentlemen

Regards

Edited November 22, 2008 by Alexandre

[James Clark]

I agree with Karynthian Cross for number 6. How about an Anschluss medal of 13 October 1938 for number 9?

Edited November 22, 2008 by James Clark

[Guest Rick Research]

Not for a member of the then-Austrian Bundeswehr. Unles he were an active "underground" Nazi 5th columnist.

The medal was for the marchers-in, not the being-occupieds.

Yet that is what it looks like.

His awards are freakishly non-normal.

Disturbing to statistical probability. :rolleyes:

[Glenn J]

Alexandre,

the 1936 edition of the Austrian Bundesheer Schematismus shows the then Oberstintendant Karl Jansch with the following awards:

Ritterkreuz 1. Klasse des ?sterreichischen Verdienstordens

Franz Josesph-Orden Ritterkreuz mit der Kriegsdekoration und Schwerten

Bronzene Milit?rverdienstmedaille am Bande des Milit?rverdienstkreuzes

Ehrenzeichen 2. Klasse vom Roten Kreuz

?sterreichische Kriegserinnerungsmedaille mit den Schwerten

Milit?rjubil?umkreuz

Besonderes K?rntnerkreuz f?r Verdienste

Allgemeines K?rntnerkreuz f?r Verdienste

Preu?isches eisernes Kreuz 2. Klasse

Regards

Glenn

[Alexandre]

Hello Glenn,

Thx a lot for the infos.

Merry Xmas.

regards