joe campbell Posted November 19, 2005 Share Posted November 19, 2005 is this maker mark lVl?or is it M?joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted November 19, 2005 Author Share Posted November 19, 2005 this one is very similar, yet the top of the first upright DOES NOT touchthe first down arm of the "V".so are there two different MM's here?the second picture kind of stinks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted November 19, 2005 Author Share Posted November 19, 2005 the guilty parties...thanks for any thoughts!joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted November 19, 2005 Author Share Posted November 19, 2005 they certainly seem like twins except forthe method of eye attachment to upper flange.so do i have M and l V l, orare they the same maker mark?(i KNOW this is nit-picky, but it would be nice to clear up.yes, i WILL get some sleep tonight...)joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Y Posted November 19, 2005 Share Posted November 19, 2005 You got me to looking at my M and IVI, and now I won't sleep tonight.Maybe because I have a night job? Anyhow, the gist of it is, the cores are identical. the only difference being about 1 gm. in weight.... and what I've called an M for years is really an IVI So, next question, does the M actually exist? Any good scans of a real M out there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Murphy Posted November 19, 2005 Share Posted November 19, 2005 I think all of the above are IVI's, I just wish I had one. And a few of the other rare ones . I have always wanted one of each, but I only have about 25. Dan Murphy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Garvy Posted November 19, 2005 Share Posted November 19, 2005 (edited) Here's another for consideration from, of all people, Joe Campbell. Is it an "M" or an "IVI"? What do you gentlemen think? Either way, it's a beautiful cross, and with a non combatant ribbon![attachmentid=16341] Edited November 19, 2005 by Bill Garvy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Garvy Posted November 19, 2005 Share Posted November 19, 2005 An extreme close-up of the maker mark. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Y Posted November 19, 2005 Share Posted November 19, 2005 An extreme close-up of the maker mark. . .Definitely an M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted November 19, 2005 Author Share Posted November 19, 2005 herr bill-great shots!the way your MM is open on the right peak is the way my left peak is open.BTW, bill and i occasionally trade, and i am ALWAYS pleased with what he sends me.herr tom-i wish i could decide with such enthusiasm...i'm just not sure. i hope maybe gordon ormicha might have some thoughts.c'mon guys...admit it...minutiae is FUN!!!joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorhead Posted November 20, 2005 Share Posted November 20, 2005 Nice shots!But it's a hard case....after lkooking a while at your pics I'm voting for "IVI"-why?I've got a "MM" in my collection-please have a look.The arms of the "M's" are tighter together,exactely in the way I would expect it!Here is the ring with the maker mark: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted November 20, 2005 Author Share Posted November 20, 2005 micha-your photo clears it for me!the closed tops at the M's is what decides it.many thanks!joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Garvy Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 (edited) So your best thinking, gentlemen, is that my example is an "IVI" and not an "M"? Edited November 22, 2005 by Bill Garvy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted November 22, 2005 Author Share Posted November 22, 2005 william-i think you have an l V l, not "M".heh-heh... it's nice when mistakes fall in your favor.i trust you can live with it.joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Y Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 On the IVI the uprights and diagonals are squared off at the tops and there's a distinct, though slight, separation. On Bill's the left upright and diagonal are joined and the right are tapered. This can be accounted fr by the slight angle of the mark and the curvature of the ring, causing an incomplete stamping. I still say definitely an M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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