Jacques Posted November 19, 2005 Share Posted November 19, 2005 I think that this is the must for a collector of Heer badges, at least that's my case ! The badge isn't mine.It is the "de luxe" Juncker made CC in gold, fire-gilded, with the little hook and central rivet on the back side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stijn David Posted November 19, 2005 Share Posted November 19, 2005 Hello jacques,Thanks for sharing this magnificent piece. This is indeed (as far as i am concerned) the Walhalla for the advanced Heer collector. A very rare and hard earned award. Just wonderfull => wisch i had on of those Cordial greetings, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Arne S Posted November 19, 2005 Share Posted November 19, 2005 Hi Jacques !What a NICE CCC in Gold . Jan Arne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKE12550 Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 Jacques, That is an absolutely stunning example! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrik Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 Jacques,Stunning, wonderfully gorgeous ... you name it, it is just that ! Although not an avid collector of TR awards, the design and, especially, the requirements to get this one awarded are quite exceptional. I've been mopping up the drool ever since clapping eyes on your picture ! Hendrik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 I remember about 5-6 years ago, a number of very advanced collectors in the states, and one of THE biggest dealers in the states told me the top hook clasps were the work of imaginative fakers and that there was no such beast. It seems to have been the belief of many US collectors at the time.When did this change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom D. Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 I remember about 5-6 years ago, a number of very advanced collectors in the states, and one of THE biggest dealers in the states told me the top hook clasps were the work of imaginative fakers and that there was no such beast. It seems to have been the belief of many US collectors at the time.When did this change?Hi Chris,There was an article in the "International Militaria" magazine, I think from 2001 or so that showed several of these clasps, apparently all named to the recipients. There were supporting documents in the article as well, and I believe it was written by Manfred Dorr.These are pretty well accepted nowadays, but I know of many older collectors that share your view. Is there any evidence that these are post war production? In viewing many pictures, they appear to share the same obverse die as typical zinc Juncker clasps. Tom D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted April 14, 2006 Author Share Posted April 14, 2006 Hi Chris,There was an article in the "International Militaria" magazine, I think from 2001 or so that showed several of these clasps, apparently all named to the recipients. There were supporting documents in the article as well, and I believe it was written by Manfred Dorr.These are pretty well accepted nowadays, but I know of many older collectors that share your view. Is there any evidence that these are post war production? In viewing many pictures, they appear to share the same obverse die as typical zinc Juncker clasps. Tom D.I know all these articles and also that some collectors though or still think that these badges are a pure imagination. As I said, I don't own one, because of thier cost, but also their scarcity. What I can say is that I had the opportunity to hand some within high end collection but also in smaller but quality one, thus on shows. When you get it in hand, you can't say it is a copy. the badge is so well done, in "buntmetall", the gilding is so beautiful, there is absolutly no flaw, nothing to ring the bell of the doubt.Many years ago, when no information about them were in my hand, I got one. it was a crap, well made for this time. these craps still are on the market, and more dangerous were done since but they have nothing to do with an original. here is the crap I bought at this time.jacques Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom D. Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 Hi Jacques,I know exactly the fake you describe and they can be found at the big US shows. It is based on the F&BL design. I handled one at the SOS 2 years ago and when I put the magnet to the reverse the backplate flew out of the clasp on my magnet! The rivet was not a rivet at all, but a separate blob of metal simply glued on to the back of the backplate. Luckily the seller didn't happent see it and I quickly stuck it back in place and moved on.Tom D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 There's no shortage of fakes of these around and precious few originals. Currently, there's a well-done copy being sold as original by a certain mid-west US "auction" house.... "Fire-gilding" so bright you need sunglasses just to look at it. Case has a gold ban on the lid and a maroon silk lining, silk insert liner and hinge. Quite beautiful as copies go, but a copy nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted November 24, 2006 Author Share Posted November 24, 2006 Here are few new pics of the badge previously shown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted November 24, 2006 Author Share Posted November 24, 2006 Here is the reverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted November 24, 2006 Author Share Posted November 24, 2006 Details of the reverse hook, hinge and rivet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 With the rather tiring number of fakes of these about, it's really nice to see a true Juncker pattern CCC in Gold. The condition on this one is pretty nice and the photos show the crisp detail that the Juncker pieces were known for. Thanks Jacques!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stijn David Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 (edited) Hello, Thank you for sharing these more detailed pictures. very nice piece and we can only say towards the newer and olde rcollector => look at this one untill you go , this is the thing to look and learn from. This is the real thing and it is scarce for sure !!!, just imagine one had to survive more or less 50 close combat days, that was something for sure Is the former recipient known from this one? Cordial greetings Edited November 24, 2006 by Stijn David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted November 24, 2006 Author Share Posted November 24, 2006 Hi Stijn,Thanks. For sure it is incredible to have survived so many combat days. This variant was only manufactured at +- 100 pieces. It is like a dream or a must for all Army badges collectors. The name is known but I can't give it now.jacquesHello, Thank you for sharing these more detailed pictures. very nice piece and we can only say towards the newer and olde rcollector => look at this one untill you go , this is the thing to look and learn from. This is the real thing and it is scarce for sure !!!, just imagine one had to survive more or less 50 close combat days, that was something for sure Is the former recipient known from this one? Cordial greetings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darrell Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 ........ Luckily the seller didn't happent see it and I quickly stuck it back in place and moved on.Tom D.LOL Classic !!!I can the scene now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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