TracA Posted March 21 Posted March 21 JapanX, Great link with very interesting and important information on this mon and the confusions and outright stretching of the truth (from certain sellers) surrounding these badges. Tracy
TracA Posted March 22 Posted March 22 I have finally obtained a bit of a holy grail for me: an Order of the Rising Sun with a ヒ (hi) mark. Fortunately the seller noticed the mark and photographed it. Known time coordinates are January 1915 to January 1923. See Medals of Asia at https://asiamedals.info/threads/mark-hi-on-japanese-orders-and-medals-when-and-who.22787/. This Order of the Rising Sun 8th Class was sold to me in a spring loaded, claspless what I take to be plastic (bakelite?) case. Definitely not the case in which it was awarded, but I really wanted the medal. To me the case was an afterthought. Luckily I already have an empty case that will go perfectly with it: a nice double row golden kanji Order of the Rising Sun 8th Class case with a stylization of 勣 (kun) on the case lid that is associated with the Meiji/Taisho era. The ヒ mark is not on the bottom reverse of the 6h paulownia leaf; it is on the reverse of the ball through which the ribbon ring is threaded. I hope you enjoy this one as much as I do. Tracy Obverse. I used the flash on my phone to really bring out the detail. Unfortunately it is a bit harshly lit: Reverse: The ヒ mark close-up: 2
TracA Posted March 22 Posted March 22 Thank you, No One. I was very, very pleased that the seller photographed the mark and that I was able to purchase the medal. All the best, Tracy 1
Farkas Posted March 22 Posted March 22 Hi Tracy, just a thought re photos. I had a problem showing makers marks in pictures, I would zoom in on the details on the picture itself afterwards. It then occurred to zoom in on the marks first, then take the photo…you may already do this but I had never thought to. It was a game changer for details. tony 🍻 PS I’ve got one of these, I’m been meaning to for ages but now definitely I’m digging mine out tonight… 👍
TracA Posted March 22 Posted March 22 Hi Tony, Yes, capturing such marks can indeed be a difficult process. Sometimes it takes me numerous shots at varying magnifications in order to get the mark to show how I want it to show. I too originally focus on other details hoping to get the mark. Now I focus on the mark and if the other details go fuzzy, no worries. Looking forward to seeing it once you dig it out. Tracy
No one Posted March 23 Posted March 23 Deare Gentlemen, I got one 8th class with "ヒ": And a 7th class with " / 美": Yours sincerely, No one
TracA Posted March 23 Posted March 23 No One, Splendid medals. Nice that you have the lapel bow with the 8th class, and (I assume) the case of issue. The 7th Class with the Shobido workshop mark is simply wonderful. I venture to guess that you have a very interesting and beautiful collection. Tracy
TracA Posted March 29 Posted March 29 Greetings, I’ve been on a bit of buying tear lately and just received this lovely four rivet reverse Order of the Sacred Treasure 6th Class with the 幣 (hei) hallmark just below the 6h rivet. This mark is known to exist only on Sacred Treasures and the current time coordinates are December 1931 to September 1933. It is believed to be a mark of the Japanese mint, but so far definitive proof is elusive. See Medals of Asia at https://asiamedals.info/threads/mark-on-japanese-order-who-and-when.15113/. The ribbon is a very, very pale blue or dirty white with yellow stripes. It came with a button rosette that is light blue with yellow stripes and it has a ス (su) mark. The case has gold kanji and the “Meiji/Taisho” stylization of 勣 (kun). I was very pleased to have this piece join my collection. Enjoy. Tracy Obverse: Reverse: HEI mark close-up: Case lid: 2
No one Posted March 29 Posted March 29 Dear Gentlemen, "I venture to guess that you have a very interesting and beautiful collection." I find yours to be more interesting and beautiful than mine. I limit myself to collecting from 8th through 4th class, occasionally 3rd class (only three), and never above. To continue with two "Order of the Sacred Treasure" with the "ナ / na" hallmark. a 7th class: a 8th class: Yours sincerely, No one 1
Farkas Posted March 30 Posted March 30 (edited) Hi Gents, I’ve dug out my little collection at last.., Sadly not as many as I once had, other ones I had in wooden boxes were an easy way to raise funds when in a hurry.., I’ve had mixed results looking for stamps/marks, maybe you can see more than I do 😊 Either way I’m going to add pictures of them all as they are each nice things. Putting them in 3 groups.., 2 boxed orders Nothing added 4 medals from 1910’s Unsure if tool marks or worn marks 3 Red Cross medals 2 have clear marks, 1 unsure Order of the Rising Sun 7th and 8th classes 1914-15 War medal. 1914-20 War medal 1915 Enthronement Medal. Together. ww1 Allied Victory Medal. Red Cross Medal. Life Member Medal. Medal. Together. Tony 🍻 Edited March 30 by Farkas Finish 3
No one Posted March 30 Posted March 30 Dear Gentlemen, New bug? My pictures, posted Friday at 14:07, are gone! Where? Why? How? - "Order of the Sacred Treasure" 7th class with the "ナ / na" hallmark: - "Order of the Sacred Treasure" 8th class with the "ナ / na" hallmark: Yours sincerely, No one 1
Farkas Posted March 31 Posted March 31 2 hours ago, No one said: Dear Gentlemen, New bug? My pictures, posted Friday at 14:07, are gone! Where? Why? How? - "Order of the Sacred Treasure" 7th class with the "ナ / na" hallmark: - "Order of the Sacred Treasure" 8th class with the "ナ / na" hallmark: Yours sincerely, No one Dear No one, that was me I believe 🤷♂️ Earlier It somehow added your pics to my post when I did my edit, I certainly hadn’t, so I removed them from my image list… I haven’t got a clue how it could affect yours, I didn’t see it had at the time, but seems now it did. tony 1
TracA Posted March 31 Posted March 31 Tony, That is a wonderful little collection. All very nice pieces. I like the Order of the Rising Sun 7th Class with the non-enamelled reverse. Now you need to pick-up an example of the 7th Class with an enameled reverse. 😀 On the War Medals, if mine have marks at all they are usually either on the very left or very right of the thin bar on the reverse. I compared your Taisho Enthronement Medal to mine, and on mine there is a shield on the circle in the center of the bar that attaches to the top of the medal. It is on both the obverse and reverse. See below. Your medal has the same, but from the pictures it looks like it was not fully struck. Your Red Cross Medal has a nice dai 大 on it and your other one a nice ka カ on it. For marks on Red Cross Medals, see Medals of Asia at https://asiamedals.info/threads/marks-of-the-japanese-red-cross-society-medals.15270/#post-245933. I find looking for and discovering hallmarks/maker’s marks on my Japanese Orders, Decorations, and Medals quite rewarding. Finding items for sale with such marks clearly identified in descriptions or photos has become my latest mission. All the best, Tracy Taisho Enthronement Medal Shield Design, obverse: 2
TracA Posted March 31 Posted March 31 No One, Thank you for the compliment on my collection. To me it often looks haphazard, and quite frankly more and more I get the feeling that it’s growing quite out of control. 😁 Those are two wonderful Orders of the Sacred Treasure with the ナ na hallmark. Are there any marks on the underside of the button rosettes? All the best, Tracy 1
No one Posted March 31 Posted March 31 Dear Farkas, Thank you for answering the "Where? Why? How?". It's alright, don't worry. I appreciate your honesty. The web seems to work in mysterious way! Dear TracA, Unfortunately, no halmark on the two button rosettes. "quite frankly more and more I get the feeling that it’s growing quite out of control." It is a well-known saying that 'collectors are never reasonable'. We all find ourselves in the same predicament. How many times did I think "it's the last one", then ... Yours sincerely, No one 1
TracA Posted April 13 Posted April 13 I have finally obtained a Golden Kite with a mint mark. Below is a Golden Kite 7th Class with a “Showa bird” and the M mint mark on the reverse at 6h. The button rosette also has a mark on its underside: ス (su). I note that the lacquered case is of the six kanji variety instead of the seven kanji variety, so it is an “earlier” case. The medal is in great condition with a beautiful patina around the edges. Of course my somewhat crappy cell phone pictures won’t do it true justice. Enjoy. Tracy Obverse: Reverse, with the M mint mark visible at the 6h: Case lid: 1
TracA Posted April 13 Posted April 13 (edited) …and my second post for the day in this thread. This one is an Order of the Sacred Treasure 8th Class with the M mint mark of the Japan Mint. The button rosette also has a mark on its underside: ス (su). The case lid has gold kanji and the “Meiji/Taisho” stylization of 勣 (kun). That’s all for today. Tracy Obverse: Reverse, with the M visible: M close-up. Note that it appears to be not quite a full strike, although pretty darn close: Case lid: Edited April 13 by TracA Word addition. 1
No one Posted April 13 Posted April 13 Dear TracA, This is a nice addition to your collection. Yours sincerely, No one 1
No one Posted April 15 Posted April 15 Dear TracA, Here is my "Order of the Golden Kite 7th class" button rosette marked "ス (su)": Unfortunately, the medal has no hallmark: Yours sincerely, No one
TracA Posted April 15 Posted April 15 No One, Nice Kite and rosette. In the photo it appears as if the gilding on the Kite's wings has worn off, which to me gives it a nice appearance. All the best, Tracy 1
No one Posted April 15 Posted April 15 Dear TracA, Thank you and yes, the gilding on the Kite's wings has worn off. I think it's a Shōwa era Kite. Yours sincerely, No one
TracA Posted April 16 Posted April 16 Hello No One, Beautiful wear on the wings. Yes, definitely a Showa Kite. Besides the Kite shape, the number of apertures and the distance of the fourth (from below) aperture of the harness to the first tipping over of a harness are the tell tale clues. JapanX did a wonderful job explaining and showing this is his thread here: https://gmic.co.uk/topic/51228-classification-of-golden-kites-in-6th-and-7th-class/. All the best, Tracy 1
No one Posted April 16 Posted April 16 Dear Gentlemen, Here are the "Tai Rei Kinensho of Shōwa" (Shōwa State Ceremony (Accession) Commemorative Medal) with hallmarks and wrappers. - -M- Zōhei Kyoku Sei: - -M- Zōhei Kyoku Sei (the colo(u)r of the box is different): - -N- Nihon Kunshō Seisaku Kabushikigaisha Nō: - -S- Kabushiki gaisha Shōbidō nō: - -Y- Kabushiki gaisha Yamazaki shōten nō: - BONUS -Y- Kabushiki gaisha Yamazaki shōten nō: Yours sincerely, No one 1
TracA Posted April 17 Posted April 17 No One, That is a splendid collection. Simply wonderful. The fact that you have a marked medal for females makes it even better! I must admit that I am jealous. I currently have the Showa Enthronement medal with M mark and its wrapper as well as the N mark as its wrapper. I am on the hunt for an S (Shōbidō) marked medal and its wrapper as well as a Y (Yamazaki) marked medal and its wrapper. There are also variations with the S marked on the ball instead of the ring and variations with the Y as convex instead of concave (which from the picture is what your medal’s mark looks to be). For all of the information see Medals of Asia at https://asiamedals.info/threads/makers-marks-of-japanese-orders-and-medals.14996/. All the best, Tracy
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