Generalleutnant Franz Gotthard

[General2]

Gents, I've been here a few weeks now and it is time i posted a few items from my collection. Here are a few of Luftwaffe Generalleutnant Franz Gotthard's medals and medal bar. Soon to be put up for sale, so posting now when i have the chance!

Let me know your thoughts.

Best wishes

John

[General2]

:cheers:

[General2]

Nice early Luftwaffe Flak Badge.

[General2]

Shot of the medal bar.

[General2]

No opinions on this group at all? I find that surprising!! Here are a few pictures of the GenLt.

Edited April 10, 2009 by General2

[Guest Rick Research]

There was no Luftwaffe General named Franz Gotthard.

The awards being worn by whoever is in the photo on left do not match the medal bar.

[bigD]

I think he means FRANTZ Gotthard

Dave

[Naxos]

Generalleutnant Gotthard Frantz

http://www.geocities.com/~orion47/WEHRMACH...Z_GOTTHARD.html

Edited April 10, 2009 by Naxos

[Guest Rick Research]

:Cat-Scratch: Thanks, Dave!

Question remains: what documentation is there to attribute the medal bar to him? Without a photo clearly showing that EXACT medal bar being worn by Frantz (who is NOT the guy in the lower left photo), it is not a unique and therefore identifiable "loose" medal bar without supporting paperwork.

[General2]

Hi guys. Thanks for posting your thoughts.

Hi Rick. Both pictures are of Frantz Gotthard (apologies about mis-spelling before)...i know they are probably too hard to see here due to only being able to post up to 70K, but both men in the pictures look the same. How are you so sure that the lower left photo is not him? I will try posting them in separate posts when i get back from work.

As for the ribbon bar...they didn't always match the medal bar did they?

I am afraid no documentation came with this grouping, (so i see where you are coming from Rick) and neither did the pictures, that was just something i went and searched for myself to see if all added up. All items are original, but all original to Frantz i know it is/will be hard to say. This group was sold to me as you see it, as all belonging to Frantz. Again i know it is hard to prove that these items were actually his, but imo equally hard to prove that they were not his.

My best to you gents!

John

Edited April 11, 2009 by General2

[bigD]

Hi Gentlemen,

If this picture is of Frantz why is he not wearing his german coss in gold? also being a general in a flak batt would he not wear his flak badge?...(Not trying to be negative, just trying to learn)

Regards ...Dave

[General2]

Hi Gentlemen,

If this picture is of Frantz why is he not wearing his german coss in gold? also being a general in a flak batt would he not wear his flak badge?...(Not trying to be negative, just trying to learn)

Regards ...Dave

Hi Dave,

He wore his Flak badge below his EK1. If you look at the picture on the right (very small i know) you can see the flak badge below the EK1. This picture is of him with another General (Generalleutnant Friedrich Frhr. von BROICH??) when they were captured in Africa (Tunis) by the Americans in 1943.

Kind regards

John

Edited April 11, 2009 by General2

[P.F.]

Purchased from John on 12th April 2009.

Thanks John

Pierce

[dond]

Too bad it cannot be proven that it was the General's awards. I see it is now for sale on WAF?

[P.F.]

Too bad it cannot be proven that it was the General's awards. I see it is now for sale on WAF?

Hi Don,

Yeh now up for sale.....i just bought one medal bar too many and now am broke.

As for proof, there are no docs with this group so i am going on the previous owners word. I own a few medal bars that came with "no proof" and no-one seemed to have a problem with them. This one looks fine too, all original. I see where you are coming from though and it is too bad. The combo is a bit common to say they belong to Frantz but these were the awards he received (talking about the medal bar in particular here) from what i read. IMO just because there is no positive ID does NOT mean they are not his awards.

Kind regards

Pierce

Edited April 22, 2009 by luftkreig

[dond]

Hi Don,

Yeh now up for sale.....i just bought one medal bar too many and now am broke.

As for proof, there are no docs with this group so i am going on the previous owners word. I own a few medal bars that came with "no proof" and no-one seemed to have a problem with them. This one looks fine too, all original. I see where you are coming from though and it is too bad. The combo is a bit common to say they belong to Frantz but these were the awards he received (talking about the medal bar in particular here) from what i read. IMO just because there is no positive ID does NOT mean they are not his awards.

Kind regards

Pierce

Potential buyers need to know this though. Heck, I own Rommel's IAB. I just can't prove it except that the dealer told me so...... The bar is fine, the attribution (as a definate) is not.

[P.F.]

Potential buyers need to know this though. Heck, I own Rommel's IAB. I just can't prove it except that the dealer told me so...... The bar is fine, the attribution (as a definate) is not.

Good point Don. I will change the description tonight to "attributed to"

Thanks

Pierce