alex82 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 unlike the Golden Grain medal I posted 2 days ago, this one I got from ebay. I'm pretty sure that this is a FAKE because It looks simply to good. But I'm not an expert in chinese medals, so can someone confirm this? cheersa l e x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex82 Posted April 30, 2009 Author Share Posted April 30, 2009 and the backside... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFloyd Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 I'd expect the back to be polished and not have that "paperclip" pin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 and the backside...I've never seen a breast star, but it's certainly consistent with the breast badge I have. Looks awfully nice and shiny. On the other hand, all the fakes I've seen out of China have been nowhere nearly as well done. Jeff - Have you seen Chinese fakes as good as this?Hugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard LaTondre Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 and the backside...quote]I hope you did not spend too much money for this item as it is indeed a fake. The back always tells the story.On the genuine medal the back would be polished and as Jeff mentioned the pin on the back is incorrect. On the obverse all four of the tiger's paws should be in alignment (on the same level) and what is that gray stuff on the tiger's chest. The cloisonne appears to be baked enamel.CheersDick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 quote]I hope you did not spend too much money for this item as it is indeed a fake. The back always tells the story.On the genuine medal the back would be polished and as Jeff mentioned the pin on the back is incorrect. On the obverse all four of the tiger's paws should be in alignment (on the same level) and what is that gray stuff on the tiger's chest. The cloisonne appears to be baked enamel.CheersDick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard LaTondre Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 quote]I hope you did not spend too much money for this item as it is indeed a fake. The back always tells the story.On the genuine medal the back would be polished and as Jeff mentioned the pin on the back is incorrect. On the obverse all four of the tiger's paws should be in alignment (on the same level) and what is that gray stuff on the tiger's chest. The cloisonne appears to be baked enamel.CheersDickThanks, Dick,Chastened but grateful.HughHugh,No one should feel chastened. I feel good when I can share my knowledge of Chinese medals with my fellow collectors. There are some pretty shady individuals out there just waiting to take advantage of others. I hate to sound tutorial but it comes out that way. I would never ever enter the arena of Japanese Samurai swords or German SS daggers as I know I would be eaten alive were it not for my more knowledgeable collector friends from whom I ask for help and opinions on many occasions.Best Regards,Dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex82 Posted May 1, 2009 Author Share Posted May 1, 2009 Thanks again here Dick and no luckily did not spend to much money on this. And it is still a nice paperweight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Hugh,No one should feel chastened. I feel good when I can share my knowledge of Chinese medals with my fellow collectors. There are some pretty shady individuals out there just waiting to take advantage of others. I hate to sound tutorial but it comes out that way. I would never ever enter the arena of Japanese Samurai swords or German SS daggers as I know I would be eaten alive were it not for my more knowledgeable collector friends from whom I ask for help and opinions on many occasions.Best Regards,DickChastened because of my failure to observe carefully. I can excuse myself for failing to notice the feet, but the grey stuff on the chest was pretty obvious. Thanks for your help.Hugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Chastened because of my failure to observe carefully. I can excuse myself for failing to notice the feet, but the grey stuff on the chest was pretty obvious. Thanks for your help.HughHave seen several of these fellows around ussually at around $30, cheap costume jewelry.Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard LaTondre Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Have seen several of these fellows around ussually at around $30, cheap costume jewelry.PaulYes . . . . . and quite heavy!Dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard LaTondre Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 and the backside...ALWAYS check the back of a suspect medal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard LaTondre Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 I'd expect the back to be polished and not have that "paperclip" pin.Exactly! Here is a good comparison. The orginal is on the left. A very, very good fake is on the right.http://www.omsa.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3842 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heusy68 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Exactly! Here is a good comparison. The orginal is on the left. A very, very good fake is on the right.http://www.omsa.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3842Hello Gentlemen,I have to add that real one are silver-gilt,so never never the reverse should looks silvered !!!On real one,even if tarnished by oxydation of silver,it ever remained a little bit of gilt.Also the reverse double pin is an horror,and the throat & breast of the tiger MUST be enameled too.The "funny" people who manufacture them in China should be fired from a well-known internet site sale.Those people are so stupid that they have manufactured "mix" of japanese & chinese Order.Hopefully as long as I have able to see,they have only manufactured breast star.But recently appears on the well-known internet sale site,a breast star of the Order of Merit (Wherlich page 94),that was a fake too,but that was sold very very expensive.Unfortunately China is not the onliest country that has seen its rare award faked.I have in mind Commander of the Order of Merit of Katanga,Commandor of the Icelandic Falcon Kingdom era,Finland White Rose with lion facing eachothers !! and the so many fakes of German Imperial Order,but as I'am not specialised in Germany,I'll let to people who know better than me,the job to aware collectors.Shame on those who make them. Emmanuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcwater Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 fake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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