Paul R Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 I have just purchased this bar from Stogieman. My questions are?What is the award criteria for this medal?Was this medal discontinued upon the introduction of the Hindenburg Cross?How many were issued?If someone has a pic of this medal, please post it. I would also like to see any other medal or ribbon bars that carry this medal.Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josef Rietveld Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 (edited) Hi Paul, i'll try to give a little summary:The Crosses were created by the local government of the province of Carinthia (Landesregierung) on the 4th of November 1919.Classes:- allgemeines K?rntner Kreuz f?r Verdienst (common cross for merit) - on a ribbon- allgemeines K?rntner Kreuz f?r Tapferkeit (common cross for bravery) - on a ribbon- besonderes K?rntner Kreuz f?r Verdienst (special cross for merit) - pin-back- besonderes K?rntner Kreuz f?r Tapferkeit (special cross for bravery) - pin-backThe common cross for bravery was given to all members of a Volkswehr-Alarm- or Heimwehr-unit with a minimum of 28 days of membership who had taken active part on some battles. The cross were given for less than 28 days (or those who haven't seen any battles) when the perticular man was commander of a unit and/or was had received wounds by enemy-fire.The special cross for bravery was given for outstanding acts of bravery and/or leading the troops - the winner must have received the common cross before!The common cross for merit was given to all members of a Volkswehr-Alarm- or Heimwehr- unit with a minimum of 28 days membership but for non-combatants and for all other who had supported the fightings in any ways like work or goods or medical help or propaganda etc.The special cross for merit was given or outstanding organising or supplying to non-combatants - the winners must have received the common cross before!The winning of any cross for bravery excepted the award of any cross of merit!The Austrians had about 200 killed and 800 wounded - the award postmortem was not allowed.The cross itself was made of zinc with the inscription on the obverse: K?rntner Freiheitskampf 1918-1919 and in the case of the Bravery Medal F?r Tapferkeit on the reverse side. The ribbon was yellow-red-white. Like the Iron Cross, the General Cross was worn from a ribbon on the tunic front whereas the Special Cross was worn without a ribbon on the left breast. Carinthian Crosses remained the property of the awardee or his family on the death of the holder.At last here to total numbers of awards:common cross bravery - 12.932common cross merit - 4.072special cross bravery - 1.009special cross merit - 241regardshaynauSOURCE:http://www.austro-hungarian-army.co.uk/ Edited December 11, 2005 by haynau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josef Rietveld Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 reverse Cross for bravery 2nd Classhaynau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted December 11, 2005 Author Share Posted December 11, 2005 reverse Cross for bravery 2nd ClasshaynauHaynau,Your explaination is perfect! Are these very expensive to obtain? If anyone out there has any pics of the various classes, please post them! Thank you again!RegardsPaul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josef Rietveld Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 Hi Paul in comparism to the awarded number of crosses they are quite cheap. at ebay-germany the sell one at the moment. auction ends in about an hour. LINKregardshaynauPS: by the way, the explanations come from the AH-Site i mentioned above. You don't have to know everything, but you have to know whre to find things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted December 11, 2005 Author Share Posted December 11, 2005 (edited) Darn it! I missed the opportunity! Is this the normal "rate" for this medal? I am intrigued by this bar as it belongs to one of the few people who were in the Freikorps without WW1 service! I have not seen too many like this.RegardsPaul Edited December 11, 2005 by Paul Reck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josef Rietveld Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 Darn it! I missed the opportunity! Is this the normal "rate" for this medal?RegardsPaulNormally the sell the lower classes for 30 to 50 eurohaynau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 Thanks for the award numbers, new information to me! I had a Tapferkeits 2nd Class years ago but it is among the many things sold long before I was ever computerized. One ODD thing with these second class crosses is that they seem to have been "always" (?) worn out of the buttonhole of a tunic, and not on the normal Austrian trifold ribbon. Mine was on such a "German" straight, narrow ribbon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Stahlhut Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Stahlhut Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 the owner opted to fix it himself. the planchet is thick and heavy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric K. Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 EricFirst off I'm glad you made it here!!!! Second, like always you post some great items!Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Stahlhut Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 a relative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest IMHF Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Thank you all, this is great information. Makes me want to collect WWII German Militaria again.Paul very cool ribbon bar, thank you for sharing it:Thank youLorenzo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted August 11, 2008 Author Share Posted August 11, 2008 Thank you all, this is great information. Makes me want to collect WWII German Militaria again.Paul very cool ribbon bar, thank you for sharing it:Thank youLorenzoThanks Lorenzo!!Eric S, what is that medal you posted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Stahlhut Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 (edited) Eric S, what is that medal you posted?hi paul, it's not a medal per se-more of a commemorative cross from the times that led up to the situation resulting in the subject of this thread.hope you don't mind that i posted it-didn't mean to derail the thread-but i figured since carinthian stuff is so relatively obscure it wouldn't hurt to include it. it's a heimwehr or 'eisernen wehr' cross...cheers, ~e Edited August 11, 2008 by Eric Stahlhut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted August 11, 2008 Author Share Posted August 11, 2008 Eric,Thanks for posting it!! It is very relevant! What type of ribbon did they use for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Stahlhut Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 i have only seen two examples and both have horizontal pinbacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Stahlhut Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 found this today whilst searching for saschaw's dang red-enameled badener.it's struck in zinc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Stahlhut Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 can't say i'm convinced it is a period piece. notice the lack of detail to the stippling--especially on the upper arm of the cross. but who knows? apparently there were several different versions and materials used Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Stahlhut Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 another bad sign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josef Rietveld Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 (edited) A special K?rntner Cross f?r Verdienst (241 issued) was sold recently on ebay. IMHO it was a good one.EBAYregardsjosef Edited September 22, 2008 by Josef Rietveld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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