westfale Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 (edited) Hi! First of all I'm not shure about putting me request in the right topic, but... Some time ago I've got this bavarian picture with the information that it could be a cross for homeservice "Kreuz für Heimatverdienst". Why? He is wearing the "König Ludwig-Kreuz" AND the iron cross. In my oppinion you can't wear any award for bravery etc. and the "König Ludwig-Kreuz" together. So for me he got the ek2 at home - for service in bavaria. Is the info about wearing the König-Lufwig-Kreuz only without any award for bravery true - and so: could this be a cross for homeservice? I hope someone of you could help me! Thanks a lot westfale Edited February 15, 2010 by westfale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beau Newman Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 (edited) My understanding is that the 1914 EK2 was awarded on the "combatant's" ribbon for any service outside Germany, even non-combat service. The top device on his cap does not look like a round cockade. He may be some kind of uniformed civil servant, like railways or postal who served in the occupied zone and was a Bavarian. In fact, I own a couple of groups with both an "combatant" EK and a Ludwig Cross. Edited February 27, 2010 by Beau Newman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 That's the theory-but there were obviously exceptions here and there-hence the "exact count" by Kleitman. Chris. B. is the author of the black/white ribbon for auslandsdeinst and this seems to have been backed up by some language in a book I have. Still, it'd be nice to have a specific regulation or directive to point to-or documented groups as proof positive. I too have seen the Ludwig cross/black/white EK2 combo and while some seem to be "newly made" combos-others are not as this photo demonstrates. Now, if we could just figure out this mans' career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westfale Posted February 28, 2010 Author Share Posted February 28, 2010 Unfortunately I have no more Info about this guy - only this greetings at the rearside of the picture... Hope to see sometimes in the future the lion on his cap to identify his profession for a little bit more "light"! Anyway, till now thanks for help and info! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 Hi, is it Wilhelm Frieser ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 Is that "wulf" with an umlaut? Something near Coburg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westfale Posted February 28, 2010 Author Share Posted February 28, 2010 @ Chris Yeah, I read also Wilhelm Frieser! @ Ulsterman Neustadt b(ei) Coburg means the "Neustadt b./ Coburg Here Sütterlin is easy to read, but in some other cases... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Y Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 Is that "wulf" with an umlaut? Something near Coburg? From the other words I'd agree with Chris, Wilhelm. Coud the town be Neustadt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westfale Posted February 28, 2010 Author Share Posted February 28, 2010 @ Tom As I wrote before. "Neustadt bei Coburg" the town Neustadt near Coburg @ Chris After a short try at google I found a composer who wrote some operetta and send one of them in the air by radio 1928 and a policeman (Schutzmann) who was discard in 1919... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 IF it is the guy in the bavarian archive, it seems he was wounded in Jan 1915 then did a few hospitals and was then in a Grenzschützbataillon until december 1917. I cannot find these in the regular army, it seems to be a kind of militia, maybe civvie status? Defending against the swiss? Awarded the KLK in December 1916... then returning to the army in december 1917 he got the EK in October 1918. best chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beau Newman Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 An example of a group with both awards. Since he had the 20 year Reservist's Cross, he may have been deemed too old for front line service and spent his time behind the lines. Of course, over the course of a 4 year war, seeing both combat and home front service (due to age, wounds & etc.) would not have been out of the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beau Newman Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 The reverse: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 IF it is the guy in the Bavarian archive, it seems he was wounded in Jan 1915 then did a few hospitals and was then in a Grenzschützbataillon until December 1917. I cannot find these in the regular army, it seems to be a kind of militia, maybe civvie status? Defending against the Swiss? Awarded the KLK in December 1916... then returning to the army in December 1917 he got the EK in October 1918. best chris Outstanding!! Do you have his file on-line? That explains EVERYTHING!! Ah! Neustadt! :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westfale Posted February 28, 2010 Author Share Posted February 28, 2010 (edited) AMAZING - absolute amazing! That was something I never expected - for me he is the guy, because of the name - its not a müller or schmidt... And I would like to ask, too: Could this Info about him found in the net or could you post the file about him? But anyway, thanks for that news and all the work you had For all who didn't found my other post, here the full picture of him attached Jürgen (westfale) Edited February 28, 2010 by westfale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 can do when I get home. bestz Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westfale Posted March 4, 2010 Author Share Posted March 4, 2010 May I ask a second time for the file, Chris? Thanks for your help! Jürgen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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