Nomonhan Border Incident

[Dieter3]

I finally found one I liked after nearly a year of looking! I'm sure I've missed plenty of nice specimens, but everything I see always seem to have pretty beat up cases (though often nice medals), or medals in not so good condition, faded, etc. Well, this one ain't perfect, but it ain't too bad. I'm pretty happy with it. Now to just find a nice Boxer Rebellion medal, my goal by the end of the year....

[Paul L Murphy]

Superb, much nicer condition than the norm.

[Dieter3]

I figured waiting would pay off, sometimes it's hard to be patient!! I do need to find that more rare variant of course, might be a little less picky on that one.....:blush:

[alex82]

very nice medal Dieter, the waiting really payed off! so good luck with the boxer :cheers:

[Brian Wolfe]

Very nice indeed Dieter, congratulations.

Regards

Brian

[Satsuma]

Entrancing and jaw-dropping, to be sure. Well done! It was a filthy campaign and most would be posthumously awarded. I'm not aware of the rare variant you mention.

Satsuma

[Dieter3]

Entrancing and jaw-dropping, to be sure. Well done! It was a filthy campaign and most would be posthumously awarded. I'm not aware of the rare variant you mention.

Satsuma

Yes, the less common variant's medallion differs somewhat and the suspension bar has a slightly different pattern than this one. You can see the differences in the Orders and Medals of Japan book.

[Kryptos]

You do manage to find the really high quality ones, Dieter. :cheers:

[Dieter3]

I try!!! But for every really nice piece, I end up with at least one or two that are not as nice as I thought they'd be. Let's just say my definition of "good" and the average seller's definition is very different and pictures can be deceiving as we all know. Still, gotta take some risks provided they aren't TOO expensive. :speechless:

[Tim B]

VERY NICE Dieter! Congrats on an excellent piece!

Tim

[Dieter3]

Finally managed a decent specimen of the other variant. I think this is the one Peterson said was the rarer of the two? Not convinced of that. Anyway, not perfect but not too bad:

[Dieter3]

[marrauder]

Nice pieces, both. Congratulations. I am observing those medals for quite long time, so I know what I am saying. From the same reason I must doubt Peterson, and I am not alone. http://imperialjapanmedalsandbadges.com/border.html

This year I saw more than dozen Nomonhans on eBay, and half of them were thin doves, the second half fat doves. And if I consider average prize, fat doves were sold for slightly bigger money.

Regards, Miro

[JapanX]

Indeed this is two very nice specimens in excellent conditions!

Congratulation on the second one!

Ok. Got some mystery for you.

Some guys say this is actually Manchuko Mint made medal and that's why it is much rarer.

They called this one "thin dove Manchu variation" (isn't it nice?). Take a wild guess how they call the early one?

But pssssssss. Don't tell anyone.

P.S. And I couldn't say as firmly as Peterson that "thin dove" is rarer than "fat dove". I personally saw more slim ones than fatties.

P.S. Well, Miro was quicker than me! (he posted his observations (that are completely coincided with my own) during my slow and illiterate typing:))

Edited December 28, 2011 by JapanX

[marrauder]

Nick, maybe I didn´t catch your info completely, but isn´t both thin and fat dove manchukuo mint? That´s why they have orchid flower instead of chrysanthem flower on the obverse...

Miro

[JapanX]

Well.

Here comes the answer.

"The medals were struck at the Osaka Mint and by private Japanese firms and the ribbons were also made in Japan"

Peterson, 3rd edition, p.136

And in light of the last amazing discoveries made by Rich I think it is very truthful statement.

The differences in design may be attributed to two different manufacturers in Japan.

Cheers,

Nick

[Dieter3]

They called this one "thin dove Manchu variation" (isn't it nice?). Take a wild guess how they call the early one?

Hey, this is "avian" profiling! They're not fat, they're just "big-boned".....

Nick, maybe I didn´t catch your info completely, but isn´t both thin and fat dove manchukuo mint? That´s why they have orchid flower instead of chrysanthem flower on the obverse...

Was there in fact a Manchukuo Mint? Peterson would lead me to believe all of these medals were made in Japan.

[Dieter3]

Was there in fact a Manchukuo Mint? Peterson would lead me to believe all of these medals were made in Japan.

Nevermind - Rich just cleared this up in the other post!!

[JapanX]

Hey, this is "avian" profiling! They're not fat, they're just "big-boned".....

Yes, yes I forget about dove-correctness

Was there in fact a Manchukuo Mint? Peterson would lead me to believe all of these medals were made in Japan.

You are way too trustful

If there were any production of orders and medals, thеn it happen no sooner than 1943.

At least according to Japan Mint history.

I think that all medals indeed were manufactured in Japan.

Only badges and orders (?) were the lucky ones.

[JapanX]

Ok.

This happened for the second time in the same thread

Should be faster...

Well I'll catch up

[marrauder]

Hey guys, first my sentence is correct: I just didn´t catch Nick´s info completely. I meant mint for Manchukuo, not mint in Manchukuo. With first thing I am sure, with second I don´t doubt, I am not knowledged enough and happy to read your infos and opinions.

Regards

[Dieter3]

Yes, I must make a claim of ignorance myself - I know next to nothing about Manchukuo items beyond what is in Peterson and that they are gorgeous pieces!