BURGERHAUS Posted March 6, 2016 Posted March 6, 2016 Joe I have been making a little progress with these. Here is one I found recently in bronze.
Scowen Posted March 7, 2016 Author Posted March 7, 2016 Very nice Robert, now you just need to find the rest of the set....
BURGERHAUS Posted March 7, 2016 Posted March 7, 2016 Well thank God for modern medicine to help me live a lot longer. Maybe I can get the rest of the set by the time I am 95! Don are they Poellath marked? Thanks for showing them to us. Cheers Robert
Scowen Posted March 8, 2016 Author Posted March 8, 2016 Yes, the reverses are all the same as yours. D
--dj--Joe Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) Been quiet here for some time. While I have added a few pieces new to me, they have been pictured before. I still enjoy picking them up and browsing this thread. Hope you all are doing well and finding new and exciting pieces. I have had this for a few years, will add it as a visual aid. Worn condition. --dj--Joe Edited September 18, 2017 by --dj--Joe Image added.
Scowen Posted September 19, 2017 Author Posted September 19, 2017 A fine piece Joe, thank you for posting it. Here are the rest of the set.... D
--dj--Joe Posted September 24, 2017 Posted September 24, 2017 They look great all together Don. Is the wreath a separate addition or is it a one piece badge? --dj--Joe
Scowen Posted September 25, 2017 Author Posted September 25, 2017 Thank you. The badge is one piece, unlike the fake/fantasy version that has a separate green enamel wreath. Don
--dj--Joe Posted September 26, 2017 Posted September 26, 2017 Thank you, Don. Good to know. --dj--Joe
--dj--Joe Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 For the new year I reread this old favorite thread. Still a favorite. --dj--Joe
Scowen Posted January 4, 2021 Author Posted January 4, 2021 Glad that you enjoyed it Joe. Here's a set from Landeck's 1941 Kreisschiessen.... Cheers Don
--dj--Joe Posted January 5, 2021 Posted January 5, 2021 A nice looking set Don. Vivid colors. Did they use a lacquer for the finish? It certainly held up. --dj--Joe
Wood Posted January 5, 2021 Posted January 5, 2021 Well, I've never seen or heard of some of these badges before, and in such wonderful condition. Pete
Scowen Posted January 8, 2021 Author Posted January 8, 2021 Thank you Gentleman. Joe, I've never seen any signs of lacquer on any of the pieces that I've picked up. I guess it's probably down to them only being worn for a very short period of time compared to membership badges etc.
--dj--Joe Posted April 10, 2021 Posted April 10, 2021 Any new and exciting additions to show? I keep an eye towards these badges but they are few and far between around my area. Thank you all for sharing from your knowledge and collections. --dj--Joe
--dj--Joe Posted October 7, 2022 Posted October 7, 2022 could it be possible that Roberts Meisterzeichen badge From page 5 could be categorized as a Festabzeichen ? --dj--Joe
Scowen Posted October 10, 2022 Author Posted October 10, 2022 On 07/10/2022 at 03:06, --dj--Joe said: could it be possible that Roberts Meisterzeichen badge From page 5 could be categorized as a Festabzeichen ? --dj--Joe I'm not sure what to call them Joe. To be honest I'm not even convinced that they are not fantasy pieces..... The wording is not consistent with the period, I've seen the phrase Kreis-Schützen-Verband used on earlier pieces & on later ones, but not on pieces from this period. And I've never seen the word Meisterzeichen on a badge from this period either. Also the manufacturer is one not seen on Austrian shooting badges. Having said that, the style of crimping on the reverse is correct for a Danner made badge 🤔. So I think that the jury is still out with these pieces. The definitley come in bronze, silver & gold, but I haven't seen a wreathed version yet.... Don
--dj--Joe Posted October 11, 2022 Posted October 11, 2022 Don, you have the bronze, silver and gold. Are the reverses all the same? Robert's example looked like period manufacture. --dj--Joe
Scowen Posted October 12, 2022 Author Posted October 12, 2022 6 hours ago, --dj--Joe said: Don, you have the bronze, silver and gold. Are the reverses all the same? Robert's example looked like period manufacture. --dj--Joe Yes Joe, the reverses are identical.... These are indeed strange beasts.
Lance O. Adams Posted January 23, 2023 Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) What a fascinating and informative thread. Glad that I happened upon this. I have a number of these myself picked over the years. Most of what I have collected has already been posted by other members but would like to post pics of my cased set. Any information that Scowen could share after checking his resources would be greatly appreciated. Would be great to determine the recipient(s). I'm not sure on the grades for these due to the finish damage from the zinc. Doing the best that I can in thinking clockwise from the top: 6 Jahre with enamel - 1944 in bronze - 1943 in silver - 1944 in gold? The dull looking piece at upper right is 1943 and was obtained separately not part of the cased set. Better pics to follow ...... From left to right: 6 Jahre - Gold 1944 - Bronze 1944 Reverse view of above: 6 Jahre - numbered 142 (bottom of wreath, very hard to make out in the pic, better in hand) Gold 1944 - 2782 Bronze 1944 - 1056 The left example is the silver badge from the set. Right is the unrelated piece, not sure of grade. Reverse view of the above. Silver 1943 - 2491 Unknown 1943 - 553 Edited January 23, 2023 by Lance O. Adams - Correct spelling error
Lance O. Adams Posted January 23, 2023 Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) As stated, I may have the grades wrong so any thoughts are welcome. In fact I may have read somewhere that all of the Meisterschütze were originally in gold? I do have a couple of other interesting pieces that I don't think have been posted here that I would be happy to share if there is interest. Thanks in advance for looking ...... Edited January 23, 2023 by Lance O. Adams Correct spelling errors
--dj--Joe Posted January 23, 2023 Posted January 23, 2023 Thank you for showing your case and badges. I look forward to any other items you may wish to share. --dj--Joe
Scowen Posted January 26, 2023 Author Posted January 26, 2023 Hi Lance & welcome to the forum. Some nice pieces you have there, thank you for posting them. You read correctly, all of the dated Meisterschütze badges were originally gold grade. Some unscrupulous dealers repainted them gold, silver or bronze to make them easier to shift. This originally started when the large number of badges that had been in storage were released onto the market post war. As they are made of zinc, most if not all of the finish would have gone from the badges, so if they were repainted in different colours, then they could be sold quicker to collectors who were unaware of how they should be. The 6 year Meister badges were part of the released pieces from the stores. These were never issued as they had been made in preparation for issuing in 1946 (there are also 9 year badges made to be issued in 1949!!!). There's nothing like forward planning..... 1944 badge #2782 was unawarded. 1944 badge #1056 was awarded to Hans Wolf from Innsbruck. 1943 badge #2491 was also unawarded (the highest numbe badge awarded that year was 2380). 1943 badge #553 was awaded to Adolf Kunsek from Innsbruck. The badges awarded to Hans & Adolf were the only Meisters issued to them, either they did not qualify for them in other years or they did not take part in the Landesschiessen for the other years. Hope this is of some interest & I look forward to seeing what else you may have. Don
--dj--Joe Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 I am confused (but getting used to it). If a 3 yr. Meister badge was awarded in 1943, for 41-43. I assume the 4 yr. clasp was given for 1944. Was a 5 yr. clasp envisioned for 1945 since there was a 6 yr. badge planned for 1946? I also wonder what was the original thought of jumping by threes. 3, 6, 9 Yr's. Just wondering, --dj--Joe
--dj--Joe Posted January 27, 2023 Posted January 27, 2023 Still thinking. ---- I realize there was no shoot in 1945. I wonder at what point after 1944 the decision was made, since there are no unissued 1945 badges yet they were prepped for 1946 and 1949. 😶 --dj--Joe
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