balkanphila Posted November 6, 2010 Share Posted November 6, 2010 (edited) My last found on Ebay ! Serbia Gold Medal of Merit towards the Royal House Typ 1889-1903 and Etui (I) "Braca Z.Popovic Beograd"! (Rule of Alexander Obrenovich) The Medal consisted of four Classes (Gold Medal with Crown, Gold medal, Silver Medal with Crown and Silver Medal), and was worn suspended from the white ribbon with side stripes and the field between those side stripes filled with a ladder-style horizontal lines of blue (during the reign of the Obrenovich Dynasty) Edited November 6, 2010 by balkanphila Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balkanphila Posted November 6, 2010 Author Share Posted November 6, 2010 My last found on Ebay ! Serbia Gold Medal of Merit towards the Royal House Typ 1889-1903 and Etui (I) "Braca Z.Popovic Beograd"! (Rule of Alexander Obrenovich) The Medal consisted of four Classes (Gold Medal with Crown, Gold medal, Silver Medal with Crown and Silver Medal), and was worn suspended from the white ribbon with side stripes and the field between those side stripes filled with a ladder-style horizontal lines of blue (during the reign of the Obrenovich Dynasty) Etui for the Medal I.class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovec1313 Posted November 6, 2010 Share Posted November 6, 2010 Congratulations, balkanphila, but you've paid a fortune; I was compeeting up to 300 E, than I've quit. I've bought mine at medal fair at Gunzenhausen, but without box (I have only Class IV medal of this type in box) However, I've paid for mine 1/10 of your price. So, box must be a fortune.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SasaYU Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 Anyway, set is beautifull. Congratulations Balkanphila. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balkanphila Posted November 7, 2010 Author Share Posted November 7, 2010 Anyway, set is beautifull. Congratulations Balkanphila. Thank you! Maybe I paid more for medal in box (520 Euro). but on the same day I pick from Ebay 2 Orders of St.Sava (III and V class Huguenin III type) for about 400 Euros. I am very happy at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SasaYU Posted November 9, 2010 Share Posted November 9, 2010 That's what it is all about. To make us happy. Congratulations again. :beer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josef Rietveld Posted November 10, 2010 Share Posted November 10, 2010 Congratulations ballkanphila, here comes mine. Some questions: Did you find any hallmarks or Maker Marks? I have been told that these have also been made by Vincenz Mayer (Vienna) - this medals should be hallmarked Was "Braca Z.Popovic Beograd" a jeweller who strucked the medals or were the just resellers? has anybody awarding numbers? All Household Medals 1st Class I have see so far have really poor (faded) gilding - ist this normal? thanks in advance josef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovec1313 Posted November 10, 2010 Share Posted November 10, 2010 Dear Josef, nice picture you've posted; are these medals from a group (or just pictured together)? I have some answers on your questions; Medal shold have markers mark; either on ring or on the ''kugel'' (I'm enclosing pictures of mine) To my knowledge, most of the medals of this type (the 2nd type, period of Alexander Obrenovich 1889 - 1903) were made by G.A.Scheid, but Bavarian workshop of Jacob Leser produced medals as well, but in small quantities. However, all medals are hallmarked. (I'll enclose Leser's hallmark as well Braca Z. Popovich were supliers of the Chancelery of Royal Orders and had deliverd medals (both from Scheid and Leser) in own boxes, with theirs logo on the inner side of lid. No numbers of awarded medals exist, as on bombing of Belgarde one of the first German bombs hit the Chancellery of Royal Orders and all arcives went in flames. But number of medals awarded in Obrenovich era (1882 - 1903) is not very high. Gilding is indeed not very good; which is in contrast to usual quality of Viennese producers. Medals are often dark because silver oxide which come in front. With silver cleaner some of gilt can be restored, but be carefull.... sometimes cleaner can damage gilt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovec1313 Posted November 10, 2010 Share Posted November 10, 2010 hallmark of Bavarian workshop of Jacob Leser; ''JL'' which often looks as roman number '' II '' and bavarian silver hallmark ''800'' (for silver finesy 800/1000) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josef Rietveld Posted November 10, 2010 Share Posted November 10, 2010 Dear Bovec I really appreciate your informations. This Household medal belongs to an austrian bar for the frack (frog in english ? ) i once showed here GMIC Unfortunately one Medal is missing. The seller told me that he thinks/remembers a knightscross of the franz-josef-order was placed here. That would be fit as serbia was pro-Austrian until 1903. I didn`'t know that GAS produced this medals aswell i always thought of Mayer. Tomorrow i will check my medal again if there is a GAS-mark on the eyelet (Kugelöse). So far i found no markings on my household medal but some months passed by since i had it in my hands for the last time. I cannot imagine that i would have overlooked such a marking. I will report tomorrow again thanks josef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovec1313 Posted November 10, 2010 Share Posted November 10, 2010 Hello Josef, thanks for the answer; must be an interesting frack with JFO order and two medals. It would be nice to know if your medal is hallmarked or not; as I've never seen and non-hallmarked medal. The other position for Scheid's hallmark is of course ring of a medal; here is another picture with hallmark on ring. Mayer did in fact produced almost all Serbian orders and medals in very beginning, when other producers were involved in business as well (Rothe, Anton Fürst, Fleischhacker), but later almost all production was taken over by Scheid. here is another Scheid's hallmark on medal's ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josef Rietveld Posted November 10, 2010 Share Posted November 10, 2010 Hello Josef, thanks for the answer; must be an interesting frack with JFO order and two medals. 4 Medals and one missing FJO to be exact. Here is the link to the GMIC-Thread. KLICK ME regards josef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovec1313 Posted November 10, 2010 Share Posted November 10, 2010 Thanks a lot, just great.... Would you consider to add FJO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balkanphila Posted November 13, 2010 Author Share Posted November 13, 2010 (edited) Congratulations ballkanphila, here comes mine. Some questions: Did you find any hallmarks or Maker Marks? I have been told that these have also been made by Vincenz Mayer (Vienna) - this medals should be hallmarked Was "Braca Z.Popovic Beograd" a jeweller who strucked the medals or were the just resellers? has anybody awarding numbers? All Household Medals 1st Class I have see so far have really poor (faded) gilding - ist this normal? thanks in advance josef Thank you and sorry for late reply! I am a newcomer in this area (collecting only since few months) My medal has no hallmarks! Inside of box written in serbian Cyrillic letters "KR.DVORSKI JUVELIRI I CASOVNICARI BRACA Z.POPOVIC BEOGRAD "Brothers Z. Popovic Royal Court Jeweller and Watches Belgrade" Questions are already answered Member "bovec1313" (author of Serbian and Yugoslav orders and decorations) Best regards Zoran (balkanphila) Edited November 13, 2010 by balkanphila Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josef Rietveld Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 Hi Zoran, My medal has no hallmarks! Funny, yesterday i checked my household-medal very intensively but it shows NO hallmarks aswell. regards josef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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