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    Posted

    A couple of Questions...

    When did Graf von Bothmer command the Leib Regt? O have him as Regiments F?hrer in November 1917.

    Second, and more difficult.... Rittmeister Paul Klinger, commandant der K.H.Qu beim Gen Kdo. XV bay. Res.Korps..... was he a Bavarian or just attached as a liason? Does anyone know anything about him?

    Thanks

    Chris

    Guest Rick Research
    Posted

    Franz (Ritter von) Epp commanded the ILR from 26 December 1914 to the end of the war.

    Paul Klinger was born in 1885

    Lt 8.3.06

    Oberlt 25.8.13

    In 1914 Personal Adjutant of Prince Alfons of Bavaria, with uniform of Chevauleger Regiment 7

    Rittmeister 19.5.16

    In 1916 he had the BMV4X, EK2, and 1905 Jubilee Medal.

    char. Major aD-- alive 1926.

    Rumors that he had a "love child" who served during the Korean War in the U.S. Army medical corps are lies and calumnies and falsehoods. :rolleyes:

    Posted

    Hi Rick,

    Thanks :-)

    Just a note, von Epp was commander, but I have a doc signed von Bothmer Regiments F?hrer 1917, so he must have had temp command at the time. maybe von Epp was wounded?

    Klinger had the EK1 in May 1917 (Just for info ;-))

    thanks

    Chris

    Guest Rick Research
    Posted
    Which Count Bothmer? Robert and Maximilian were BOTH Majors in the ILR and both went on to command "lesser" regiments, but as of 1917...?
    Posted

    Robert Graf von Bothmer commanded the ILR during the following periods:

    25 November 1916 - 17 April 1917

    22 July 1917 - 29 July 1917

    28 September 1917 - 3 November 1917

    24 November 1917 - 3 December 1917

    6 January 1918 - 8 February 1918

    14 February 1918 - 26 February 1918

    25 March 1918 - 28 March 1918

    30 May 1918 - 8 July 1918

    I assume he was in temporary command during these periods when Epp was away or in temporary command of a higher HQ, as in most cases Graf von Bothmer was preceded or succeeded by Epp. In other cases, he and Epp alternated with Hptm. Freiherr von Falkenhausen (Richard or one of the others).

    Posted

    I too have an EKII (Alpenkorps) document with Graf von Bothmer's signature as Major u. Rgts. F?hrer in June of 1918.

    Guest Rick Research
    Posted

    :Cat-Scratch: Interesting, because "acting" (and that's a LOT of "acting"!!!!!) commands are NOT shown in Das Bayernbuch's listing of regimental commanders.

    :cheers:

    Posted

    Wow.... I used to think Epp was at the helm for most of the war... that IS an eye opener.....

    Thanks guys!

    I guess Klinger was one of those guys who was a witness to historical events, but never really played an active enough part to get a mention.

    Posted

    Paul Klinger was originally a Fahnenjunker in the 1. Chevaulegers-Regiment Kaiser Nikolaus von Ru?land and was promoted to the rank of F?hnrich on the 4th of February 1905. Commissioned into the 1. Chevaulegers-Regiment he was transferred to the 7. Chevaulegers-Regiment on the 1st of October 1906.

    The award of the EK2 was gazetted on the 3rd of November 1914.

    Regards

    Glenn

    Posted

    Thanks Glenn,

    That gives me some more to go on. I am going to guess he was with his regt at this stage as the bay. Xv: R.K was not in business this early. of course, he could already have been on a staff from day one.

    Best

    Chris

    Posted

    Hope it is okay if I connect a question to this thread.

    I wonder if that is General Graf Bothmer on that photo:

    IPB Image

    Close up of the person in question:

    IPB Image

    The card was send by a Leutnant der Reserve Haberl

    IPB Image

    What cruel words for Photosammler :angry:

    >>Sorry, but you have posted more images than you are allowed to<<

    Will post the rest in the reply.

    ..........

    Guest Rick Research
    Posted

    Because Bavarian Ersatz Regiment 1 was in the 39th Reserve Division, I think that is probably division commander Generalleutnant zD Friedrich Gr?ber. Born in 1851, he was an 1870 veteran, and very well decorated for the expedition to China in 1900. He had the glasses and beard-- and splendid shoulder wide mustaches-- maybe he has just had a haircut here!

    • 2 weeks later...
    Posted

    A question to this.....

    "In 1914 Personal Adjutant of Prince Alfons of Bavaria, with uniform of Chevauleger Regiment 7

    Rittmeister 19.5.16"

    Do you think he was Adjutant to the Prinz... or to "Chevauleger Regiment 7 "Prinz Alfons""

    The Prince was alive and kicking until 1933, but I find no mention of active WW1 service (I am sure someone has better books than me on this level)

    It is however highly possible that the regt provided the Prinz with an officer as an assistnt as the regt was named after him.

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