hc8604 Posted March 13, 2012 Posted March 13, 2012 I contacted Galerie Numismatique who were not able to provide any documentary evidence to support their assertion that it was indeed awarded to a French Air Force officer. I guess it came from word of mouth then...do they even have his name? I have seen the lower class medal once on ebay. I can't remember at what price it ended at.
drclaw Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 It was a pretty battered one on Ebay and recall it went for around $200-$300. Galerie Numismatique sold a lower class badge a year or two ago for around 500 euros I believe. Interesting piece but for an unofficial / ephemeral decoration with no identification other than the temple name, the prices seem a little high. They're not too rare either given the number of examples that have appeared on the market.
JapanX Posted April 11, 2012 Author Posted April 11, 2012 And another example (unknown and numbered 107) Obverse
Richard LaTondre Posted April 18, 2012 Posted April 18, 2012 Good Morning Nick. You have really hit an area of contention. I agree with you that this medal is the medal for Military Merit. 58 x 54 mm with pavlonia leaf suspension. Harry Mohler also wrote of this order and in earlier writings suggested that "this award was made in accordance with the recipients former precedence in rank within the Manchu Court." It was a short-lived order and little is known concerning the decoration itself. It was founded in 1912 by Presient Yuan Shikai and this insignia of rank was worn above all other awards and took precedence over all other decorations (?).This order was established in six classes. The Grand Cross Order was intended only for presidents and former presidents. It was also awarded to military leaders who had actively participated in the rebellion. I believe the ribbon (37mm) to be correct. I have much more to say about this decoration. Richard
Richard LaTondre Posted April 18, 2012 Posted April 18, 2012 There is one of these items (first class silver merit medal) for sale on Spinks. Richard
JapanX Posted April 18, 2012 Author Posted April 18, 2012 (edited) Good evening (even night ) Richard! Thank you for your comment! But I am a little mixed.. I agree with you that this medal is the medal for Military Merit. 58 x 54 mm with pavlonia leaf suspension. Harry Mohler also wrote of this order and in earlier writings suggested that "this award was made in accordance with the recipients former precedence in rank within the Manchu Court." About what order (from what post) we are talking about? And I am sorry, but the Spink picture is not visible ... Regards, Nick Edited April 18, 2012 by JapanX
JapanX Posted April 19, 2012 Author Posted April 19, 2012 There is one of these items (first class silver merit medal) for sale on Spinks. Page 113, China "Silver Merit Medal" in April 19, 2012 catalogue? ;)
JapanX Posted April 21, 2012 Author Posted April 21, 2012 I agree with you that this medal is the medal for Military Merit. 58 x 54 mm with pavlonia leaf suspension. Harry Mohler also wrote of this order and in earlier writings suggested that "this award was made in accordance with the recipients former precedence in rank within the Manchu Court." It was a short-lived order and little is known concerning the decoration itself.
JapanX Posted April 21, 2012 Author Posted April 21, 2012 This order was established in six classes. The Grand Cross Order was intended only for presidents and former presidents. Grand Cross?! Anybody saw this one?
JapanX Posted April 21, 2012 Author Posted April 21, 2012 How about this? Cool! Looks like Order of Rank and Merit 2nd class (also known as "First Order of Rank and Merit")... Must be approximately 68mm in diameter It is indeed was founded on October 9, 1912 by Presient Yuan Shikai in 6 classes for Chinese Citizens (only after 1916 (when order changed his name to "Order of Merit" higher class became available to foreign Head of States). It was second highest order of the Republic (after 1st class (also known as Grand Order of Rank and Merit) - looks exactly the same, but has 13 pearls). But I was under the impression that all 6 classes existed as breast stars... I am afraid that Medal (?) from post # 59 (actually the whole family of such Medals) is completely different award. Indeed it is usually described as "Medal for Military Merit"... By the way, the manufacturer (one of many manufacturers?) of these medals was Lao Tien Li - his mark sometimes could be found on reverse along with the date (one specimen that looks exactly like piece from post #59 had a date July 1923 (sic!)) Regards, Nick P.S. I believe that many of these beautiful breast stars of Rank and Merit Order might be manufactured by Japanese workshops (including your beauty )
JapanX Posted April 26, 2012 Author Posted April 26, 2012 Good Morning Nick. You have really hit an area of contention. I agree with you that this medal is the medal for Military Merit. 58 x 54 mm with pavlonia leaf suspension. Harry Mohler also wrote of this order and in earlier writings suggested that "this award was made in accordance with the recipients former precedence in rank within the Manchu Court." It was a short-lived order and little is known concerning the decoration itself. It was founded in 1912 by Presient Yuan Shikai and this insignia of rank was worn above all other awards and took precedence over all other decorations (?).This order was established in six classes. The Grand Cross Order was intended only for presidents and former presidents. It was also awarded to military leaders who had actively participated in the rebellion. I believe the ribbon (37mm) to be correct. I have much more to say about this decoration. Richard Richard I created a separate thread devoted to this medal http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/54262-merit-medal-of-the-republic-its-origin-and-classes/page__gopid__497158 Cheers, Nick
Richard LaTondre Posted April 26, 2012 Posted April 26, 2012 Thanks Nick. You are doing a great service on this web site. Best Regards, Richard
JapanX Posted April 28, 2012 Author Posted April 28, 2012 How about this? And how about this? 1st class of Grand Order of Rank and Merit (also known as Grand Order of Rank and Merit).
JapanX Posted April 28, 2012 Author Posted April 28, 2012 (edited) And back to the copycat practice. Strange specimen... Looks like it lost his original medallion (most likely Variation A of Merit Medal) and somebody replaced it with order of striped tiger medallion!!! So it is more likely modern "construction" practice ;) Edited April 28, 2012 by JapanX
JapanX Posted May 5, 2012 Author Posted May 5, 2012 And another very interesting copycat piece (unidentified one) Filched this one from OMSA forum (hope its ok Jeff )
JapanX Posted May 14, 2012 Author Posted May 14, 2012 Another interesting specimen with design based on Merit Medal ...
JapanX Posted May 15, 2012 Author Posted May 15, 2012 (edited) How about this? Actually this is 3rd class of Order of Rank and Merit ... Not 2nd class as I said before ... Sorry about that Richard... To sort things out I made this thread http://gmic.co.uk/in...and-recipients/ Regards, Nick Edited May 15, 2012 by JapanX
JapanX Posted July 16, 2012 Author Posted July 16, 2012 Another example of "Bi Yun Temple award" Obverse
drclaw Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 Ah, our old friend, the "Order" of the Temple of the Azure Clouds. They must have distributed a fair few of these given the number of surviving examples.
JapanX Posted July 23, 2012 Author Posted July 23, 2012 Better scans of uknown decoration with № 107 on reverse that we sae in posts 53 and 54 Obverse
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