freiherr Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 (edited) This was discussed at the Axis History Forum and Glenn and Dave have kindly provided some expert ID. The occassion was 50 Jahre Befreiungshalle/100 Jahre Befreiungskriegs and 25 Thronjubiläum v Kaiser Wilhelm so everyone descended on Bavaria on 25.08.1913. In the group pic we can even see v Bothmer as Kapitan of the Leibgarde d Hartschiere with the over the top lion on his helmut. Up front on the right Glen had ID'ed the man as GenAdj Wilhelm Walther v Walderstötten. I assume the Bavarians wore their sashes on the right shoulder? (Anecdotal bling bling pics of Bavarian portraits seem to suggest so) But since it was the Kaiser's visit, those that had them wore Prussian sashes on the left shoulder -- what sash was WvW wearing? And how about Ludwig III's sash, different from the Ksier which presumably was the Black Eagle order? Cheers Elwyn Edited June 30, 2013 by freiherr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Elwyn, I think you are confusing the Oberst-Zerimonienmeister Graf Moy who is to the King's left with his staff of office. General WvW is behind Graf Moy's right shoulder wearing his sash from right shoulder to left hip. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Hey ho! That's my photo--posted HERE at GMIC years ago!!! How the Internet just... makes anonymity about sourcing!!!!! Sammlung Rick Research, please. (I can rename scans saved to show who owns something an where it came from, old fashioned me!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freiherr Posted June 30, 2013 Author Share Posted June 30, 2013 Sorry, Rick. I have no idea it was yours. I would definitely have asked for your permission if I had known. Thanks Elwyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freiherr Posted June 30, 2013 Author Share Posted June 30, 2013 Hi Glenn, That would make a lot of sense. I was very confused with your original ID to begin with. WvW only had a RAO2. But Graf Moy had a RAO1 so that looked like he was wearing. Elwyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 So... how about repeating some of that conversation HERE? I don't go anywhere else... kind of..."busy" here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 There's nothing on the back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freiherr Posted June 30, 2013 Author Share Posted June 30, 2013 Wow, the Research Supercomputer on down time.... I can use/rent that for a million years. Would say this was GenAdj to Kaiser Moritz v Lyncker. RAO2 sash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freiherr Posted June 30, 2013 Author Share Posted June 30, 2013 I think Glenn is right on the money .. the man in Hussar uniform was ObstLt Hans Heinrich XV Fürst v Pleß. Here with RAO1 and presumably stern to go with it. In Rick's pic, he had RAO1 sash, just like WoW Elwyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freiherr Posted June 30, 2013 Author Share Posted June 30, 2013 (edited) From 1914 bayr Handbuch ... so one year after. Graf Moy had a lot of "stuff" Elwyn Edited June 30, 2013 by freiherr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freiherr Posted June 30, 2013 Author Share Posted June 30, 2013 Here is Walther v W's entry in the 1914 handbuch. His sash would be that of BM1? Carmine-Blue-Carmine, worn on the right shower. He picked up the BMV1 mS during the war. You can see that in the Graf zu Castell Castell pic. Elwyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freiherr Posted June 30, 2013 Author Share Posted June 30, 2013 I think Glenn is right on the money .. the man in Hussar uniform was ObstLt Hans Heinrich XV Fürst v Pleß. Here with RAO1 and presumably stern to go with it. In Rick's pic, he had RAO1 sash, just like WoW Elwyn Duh, I meant Fürst v Pleß and Graf Moy both had RAO1 sash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Hey ho! That's my photo--posted HERE at GMIC years ago!!! How the Internet just... makes anonymity about sourcing!!!!! Sammlung Rick Research, please. (I can rename scans saved to show who owns something an where it came from, old fashioned me!) RIck, It was posted on AHF by AlifRafikKhan, who provided de.wikipedia.org as a source. I don't know where on Wikipedia he found it, so I can't see who uploaded it there and what copyright permission they claimed. If we could find it, you could probably have it removed or properly credited there. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 (edited) When I copy somebody else's scan I rename it. Say: Kaiserstepsfoto Rick Research GMIC. Not a question of copyright--or I wouldn't ever share (and where would militaria collecting online be THEN? ) but of plain old fashioned Courtesy To Others. Glad everybody (in the whole world?) has enjoyed this--I saved it from Evil Ricky's photo archive dispersal--and you guys are waaaaaay ahead of me on identifying all the teeny tiny leetle peoples. What threw me so I never got anywhere with it are what seem to be the half-mast black mourning flags there. ??? Edited July 1, 2013 by Rick Research Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 There. That's less squinty, innit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freiherr Posted July 1, 2013 Author Share Posted July 1, 2013 I certainly enjoyed it thoroughly and that's only after learning from Glenn which way the sashes go. And Dave telling me Wilhelm v W from Otto v W. Incidentally, Wegner screwed it up -- it had Otto as GenAdj. Interesting with the black flag. You also see Ludwig III wearing a black band you so often see but only after the start of the War. Elwyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 I had thought it might have been for Prinzregent Luitpold's funeral. Pity the poor cadets in the velveteen britches and patent leather pumps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freiherr Posted July 1, 2013 Author Share Posted July 1, 2013 Are those pages? So we would expect to see the Pagenhofmeister? Who are the two that look likeLord Nelson and/or Napoleon in a sea of pickelhalbe's? Elwyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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