drspeck Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Hi all, Received this nice Saxon ribbon bar set this week. Pretty beatup set, but still attached to another EK2 War Merit Cross Eastern front medal Saxony Civil Merit Order Saxony Order of Albert Bayern Order of Military Merit Austria Military Merit Cross Hindenburg cross NSDAP Long Service Award Sudetenland medal Westwall medal Pro Deo Et Patria medal Any thoughts on the wearer? Regards, Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 AIEEEEEE!!!!!! Looks like it was exhumed!!!! Not sure looking at what's left that IS an NSDAP 10. I don't see white/brown/white narrow edge stripes-- it looks like Dark Yucky Color Edge/White/Dark Yucky Color Center/White/DYC Edge. Brown? Blue? Dark Yucky Color?... Of 251 Saxon officers with BMV4X, at first pass, only 11 cannot be eliminated--but none of them were SS in 1935 or Saxon SA in 1934. I'm omitting trying to trace any form of NSDAP service--not sure about that ribbon--and just going by the WW1s for officers whose other awards do not eliminate them, Wehrmacht service etc etc. Truly appalling condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drspeck Posted July 7, 2013 Author Share Posted July 7, 2013 AIEEEEEE!!!!!! Looks like it was exhumed!!!! Not sure looking at what's left that IS an NSDAP 10. I don't see white/brown/white narrow edge stripes-- it looks like Dark Yucky Color Edge/White/Dark Yucky Color Center/White/DYC Edge. Brown? Blue? Dark Yucky Color?... Of 251 Saxon officers with BMV4X, at first pass, only 11 cannot be eliminated--but none of them were SS in 1935 or Saxon SA in 1934. I'm omitting trying to trace any form of NSDAP service--not sure about that ribbon--and just going by the WW1s for officers whose other awards do not eliminate them, Wehrmacht service etc etc. Truly appalling condition. Yeah it definately is one of the worst I own I've added a detailimage from the back, the NSDAP award is clearer from the back, looks more chocolate brown and has the double white stripes, one of which is being overlapped.... Any chance of narrowing down the search? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Yup. OK for that claarification. Down to 10-- one of my preliminary 11 was KIA in 1918. When I can't reduce names any further, I'll post the suspects list. Still have to check for Wehrmacht (E) officers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 (edited) Stuck at 9-- 1) Udo Gruschwitz of KS IR 102, Oberleutnant aD. But there was a Wehrmacht (E) officer that might have been him... or another of the same last name. 2) Friedrich Günther, wartime Lt dR, ex KS Jäger Bn 13 and a flyer. He was NOT the 1930 Nazi Ministerialdirektor of the same name *1880--the Nazi had Silver St Henry Medal. Nazi was a WW1 observer but was NOT repeat NOT t-h-i-s Friedrich Günther. 3) Hans Graf von Metzsch-Reichenbach of KS Garde Reiter Rgt, Rittmeister aD. Unlikely nazi 4) George (yes Georg-e) Graf von Platen-Hallermund, same rank and regiment as Graf von M-R. Ditto 5) Erich Saupe of KS IR 102, Hauptmann aD. But Erhard Roth listed full datess, implying he'dd seen his records and no ÖM3K? 6) Oskar Schmiedel of KS IR 102, Oberleutnant aD 7) Hans Soltmann, a wartime Lt dL of Flak. Landwehr WW1 unlikely Russia 1942... 8) Walter Tropitzsch, wartime Oberleutnant dR ex KS FAR 68 also Flak. Commissioned first in 1908-- seems too old for 1942 ... 9) Zipfel brothers/cousins of KS IR 102. Ernst (Hauptmann aD) had the two Saxon Orders BUT... Georg (Oberleutnant aD) hd SH3 and SA3bX with no SV3bX. Unortunately wouldn't you just know it--with TWO same wartime rank and regiment, the BMV4X roll doesn't give 1st name!!! Edited July 8, 2013 by Rick Research Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drspeck Posted July 8, 2013 Author Share Posted July 8, 2013 (edited) Stuck at 9-- 1) Udo Gruschwitz of KS IR 102, Oberleutnant aD. But there was a Wehrmacht (E) officer that might have been him... or another of the same last name. 2) Friedrich Günther, wartime Lt dR, ex KS Jäger Bn 13 and a flyer. He was NOT the 1930 Nazi Ministerialdirektor of the same name *1880--the Nazi had Silver St Henry Medal. Nazi was a WW1 observer but was NOT repeat NOT t-h-i-s Friedrich Günther. 3) Hans Graf von Metzsch-Reichenbach of KS Garde Reiter Rgt, Rittmeister aD. Unlikely nazi 4) George (yes Georg-e) Graf von Platen-Hallermund, same rank and regiment as Graf von M-R. Ditto 5) Erich Saupe of KS IR 102, Hauptmann aD. But Erhard Roth listed full datess, implying he'dd seen his records and no ÖM3K? 6) Oskar Schmiedel of KS IR 102, Oberleutnant aD 7) Hans Soltmann, a wartime Lt dL of Flak. Landwehr WW1 unlikely Russia 1942... 8) Walter Tropitzsch, wartime Oberleutnant dR ex KS FAR 68 also Flak. Commissioned first in 1908-- seems too old for 1942 ... 9) Zipfel brothers/cousins of KS IR 102. Ernst (Hauptmann aD) had the two Saxon Orders BUT... Georg (Oberleutnant aD) hd SH3 and SA3bX with no SV3bX. Unortunately wouldn't you just know it--with TWO same wartime rank and regiment, the BMV4X roll doesn't give 1st name!!! i'm as always impressed by the results This is gonna need some more digging maybe the NSDAP membership list could be of help in this one... Edited July 8, 2013 by drspeck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Hans Soltmann was born in 1876 and had the SLD2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 This is like Agatha Christie's "Ten Little Indians!" ... 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruelle Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 I have found some names Oberleutnant Gerhard Berthold Oberleutnant Ernst Gerke Oberleutnant Reinhard Gringmuth OberleutnantWerner Reichel RechnRat topograph Friedrich Schmidt Christophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Christophe, Ernst Gerke rose to Generalleutnant in the Wehrmacht. Also, no ÖM3K Reinhard Gringmuth: Oberst 1.4.42 (252); no ÖM3K; received the Wehrmacht DA 4. bis 3. Kl. and KVK1X&2X I have nothing on the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Christophe-- Everybody's eliminated except those 8, for other awards, later careers and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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