Serbia Serbia Royal Houshold Medal type 4

[paja]

Yes it is still there but I have brought it. It had a byer so I needed to offer more for it.

Thanks for answer, I was concerned that someone is maybe trying to trick you. All in all a great catch! My congrats!

[ionionescu]

Hello gentleman!

I have a question about a similar medal awarded to my grandfather somewhere between 1937 to 1940 (most likely 1938 or 1939) during his service, with the rank of Corporal, in the Royal Palace Guard Battalion at the Peleș Castle.

I believe its the Medalja Za Usluge Kraljevskom Domu, model 1934, 4th class in silver (please see the attached photo below).

So I have a few questions: is my assumption correct, can someone post some photos with the correct medal and, most importantly, the original case?

Also can someone speculate about why, and by whom, this medal was awarded to my grandfather? Maybe some lists with awarded persons exist somewhere, and, are they accessible?

Thank you very much!

Edited October 11, 2013 by ionionescu

[ionionescu]

I will repeat the most important part from my above post in the hope someone can help: can someone post some photos with the original case of the Medalja Za Usluge Kraljevskom Domu, model 1934, 4th class in silver? Thank you!

[paul wood]

Ionionescu I believe this query should be placed in the Romanian rather than the Serbian section. I suspect you will get a satisfactory answer there.

Paul

[ionionescu]

Thank you for your answer Paul. The Romanian section may be not the right one because the medal I refer to is the Yugoslavian Royal Household Medal, this medal was awarded to.my grandfather most likely in 1938 or 1939, presumably, by a Yugoslavian Royal during one of their visits at the Peleș Castle, where my grandfather served in the Romanian ”Royal Palace Guard Battalion” (King Carol II bodyguard battalion). I will try in the Yugoslavian section, maybe more luck there.

[paul wood]

If you see my example (previous page) this could well be it, also another example is known in a similar case (ie originally described it as 21-27 but could be equally likely to be 34-41 as there is no obvious difference between the two issues).

Sorry for the confusion.

All the best,

Paul

[ionionescu]

Thank you very much Paul! Off course, I will keep in mind your example, but I still hope someone will post a case of the 4th class (silver, no crown), I don't know what type it is, in the photo were my grandfather wears the medal a face can be seen what resembles King Alexander I of Yugoslavia, so I guess its the 6th type, 4th class?

Edited October 15, 2013 by ionionescu

[paul wood]

Case for Alexandhttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_10_2013/post-3085-0-21224000-1381845787.jpger I type taken from Car.

Paul

[paja]

Thank you very much Paul! Off course, I will keep in mind your example, but I still hope someone will post a case of the 4th class (silver, no crown), I don't know what type it is, in the photo were my grandfather wears the medal a face can be seen what resembles King Alexander I of Yugoslavia, so I guess its the 6th type, 4th class?

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I agree, it really does look like King Aleksandar is on front side. Medals with Aleksandar are 5th type, they were awarded between 1927 and 1934. After the assassination 4th type (1921-1927) was back in use, so this so-called 6th type (1934-1941) is basically the same as 4th.

4th type had 2 variants, first one was used between 1927 and 1929, and the second between 1929 and 1934. The difference is inscription on front side, on first "Aleksandar I King of Serbs, Croats and Slovenians" (like on the medal that you have used as an example) and on second "Aleksandar I King of Yugoslavia" (Country was renamed in 1929 so this was logical consequence).

Are you sure that this medal was awarded to your grandfather somewhere between '38 and '39? I can't say for sure was this possible, but it sounds strange that the King Aleksandar type was awarded 4 or 5 years after the assassination.

[paja]

Here are couple of pictures of the 4th class, 2nd variant of 5th type with simple cardboard cases. The cases are I believe very rare.

Both of these medals were recently sold on ebay.

Huguenin.

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Edited October 15, 2013 by paja

[paja]

Fran Sorlini, no inscription on the outer side of the lid.

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Edited October 15, 2013 by paja

[ionionescu]

@Paul and @Paja: thank you very much for the photos, this is exactly what I was looking for!

[ionionescu]

I agree, it really does look like King Aleksandar is on front side. Medals with Aleksandar are 5th type, they were awarded between 1927 and 1934. After the assassination 4th type (1921-1927) was back in use, so this so-called 6th type (1934-1941) is basically the same as 4th.

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Are you sure that this medal was awarded to your grandfather somewhere between '38 and '39? I can't say for sure was this possible, but it sounds strange that the King Aleksandar type was awarded 4 or 5 years after the assassination.

Paja: thank you for the explanations, now I understand better the types of this medal. So the one that my grandfather wears is the 5th type (1927 - 1934).

Yes, I am 100% sure he received this medal somewhere between 1938 and 1939, the began this military service in 1937 and I have a photo of him dated on the back side 20.VII.1939 were he already wears the medal, there is another photo form his military identity card were he wears the medal, this one is undated, but I believe its from 1938 or 1939 because his rank is already a Corporal (in 1937 he must have been a simple soldier).

I guess its a bit strange he received the 5th type, maybe they had 5th type medals left and awarded them to Romanians because King Alexander I of Yugoslavia was married with the sister of King Carol II of Romania?

I wonder if someone can search whom from the Yugoslav Royal family made visits in 1938 and 1939 in Romania, especially at the Peleș Castle? This is the place where I believe my grandfather received the medal. Or maybe King Carol II visited the Kingdom of Yugoslavia accompanied by soldiers from the ”Royal Palace Guard Battalion”, including my grandfather, so he received the medal during such a visit?

[paja]

You are most welcome Ionionescu.

So there is no doubt then. It is logical to assume that they were awarding 5th type some time after the assassination (like you mentioned there must have been some amount of them left) but it really surprises me that they were still awarding them five years later.

Kind regards,

Radmilo