Shoulder Board is it British ?

[Robert Rytir]

Hi

Can any one tell me if this is a British shoulder board and if not what?It came with a small selection of WW1 German boards.

Thanks Rob

[QSAMIKE]

Not British......

Pretty sure it's German.....

[Robert Rytir]

Hi Mike

I had it on the German section and they said not German maybe British I have posted in the Turkish section just in case it's Turkish.

Thanks Rob

[Mervyn Mitton]

I would say a possibility for French ? I don't understand though, how the letters and the grenade are up-side

down to each other ? Mervyn

[Robert Rytir]

Hi Mervyn

thanks for your reply I think you will find the number is 79 not 62 (upside down).

Rob

[paul wood]

Is it not the Field Artillery regiment 79 (Osterode), Great War Period, the 79 looks certainly very similar.

Paul

[QSAMIKE]

The British did not wear this type of shoulder board......

Mike

[Robert Rytir]

Thanks again Mike and Paul for your reply

Rob

[Joe Sweeney]

Robert,

The board on the left could very well be British or Canadian or even Australian. This is the type from the SD jackets manufactured in all those countries.

What is wrapped around the base??? It looks like a wound badge?

Joe Sweeney

[Robert Rytir]

Thanks Joe,but not sure what this off but the thing that looks like a wound strip also looks like the piping you have on German caps same width I assume this is some sort of rank display on the board ?

Thanks Rob

[Joe Sweeney]

Looks like what is called Russian Braid. This was issued as the wound badge and had to be sewn on by the soldier on the lower left sleeve. More popular and far more common were the commercial brass badges.

Is the braid sewn on of is it Brass?

Joe Sweeney

[Robert Rytir]

Joe it's sewn on properly and it is not brass.I have got wound stripes in my collection and this is done properly as a rank.I have better front and back pictures posted on the thread for unknown stuff on this site.

Rob

[Robert Rytir]

Here is a link http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/60369-shoulder-board-strap-id-needed-help-please-any-one/

[peter monahan]

QSA Mike is right: definitely not British or Imperial [Oz, SA, Canada]. I would ave said German/Central Powers but if tose pundits say no, try Russia, Turkey, eastern Europe rather than France, Belgium, etc.

Peter

[Joe Sweeney]

Rob,

Yes very much a length of Russian braid on a Commonwealth type shoulder strap. Issued per wound but obliviously not used that way.

Here are two photos of a British issued SD jacket to a Serj. of the 12th Bn A&SH--This unit served in Salonika were British Divisions adopted colored ribbon or braid Blue Red and Yellow per Division.

This is attached identical to yours, although lower down the strap. So I'm not sure if this a division sign on yours.

If it was used as a rank it might be off an SD supplied to White Russian forces--a single piece of ribbon in that fashion was for a Junior NCO.

Hope this helps

Joe Sweeney

[Robert Rytir]

Hi Peter

thanks for your reply I have posted on the Turkish section and waiting to see if I get a reply.Thanks Joe for the pictures but I think the board is a different shape to yours this is more oval than round but I could be wrong.So frustrating as it came with the German boards and was picked up by the Australian soldier as souvenirs with the German trench club (direct from family).

Joe can you post a picture of the bottom of your boards.

Rob

Edited October 19, 2013 by Robert Rytir

[Joe Sweeney]

Rob,

I would not discount Commonwealth SD yet.

The 12th BN A&SH strap is very much like yours:

Here are some other Jackets with hopefully better views of the strap:

4th BN CMGC (British Made Jacket)

85th BN CEF (British made Jacket)

Close-up of the shoulder area of a post Sept 1914 Canadian made 7 Button jacket:

I have between 40 to 50 British and Canadian SD Jackets and not one photo directly showing shape nor any of the underside. However, if you know what the top looks like bottom is identical.

Unfortunately that shape is very common and I can not attribute that strap and the braid to any British or Commonwealth unit--Hope you have better luck with your Turkish path.

Another path is potentially Portuguese-- I believe rank was on the shoulder strap. Port. uniforms were made in the UK and were a color very similar to French Horizon Blue--However, British SD may have their way into Port service--If everyone in the flowing photo is in fact Port then they wore a mix of uniforms:

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Joe Sweeney

Edited October 20, 2013 by Joe Sweeney

[Robert Rytir]

Joe thanks for putting up the photo's and putting up with me it's just want to be correct in what it is.

The width at the base of the strap is 5cm and at the top 4cm color is olive/brown and rough wool texture the braid is hand sewn on .

Just wondering if it may be Turkish ??

Rob and thanks again for your time and effort.

[Joe Sweeney]

Rob,

FYI I just measured three SD jackets and all have ~ 2" at base and ~1.5" at the button hole which is about 5 cm and 4cm. So its close.

Joe

[Robert Rytir]

Thanks