David M Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Hi I was wondering: is it possible to find the dates for PROA3 class and lower for the 1840-1866 era? Where would I be able to find these dates? I would like to use them to complete the entries on the men decorated with the churhessian orders I am researching Thanks a lot regards David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arb Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 David, The Ordenslisten and MWB are good sources but hard to use absent an index. Perhaps you can post a list of what you are looking for and we might be able to help fill in a few dates for you. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David M Posted November 5, 2013 Author Share Posted November 5, 2013 Hi Andy, its quite a list in totall. What I'll do is I'll work on providing the name and an estimation on the time (year when it would first appear in the staatshandbuch of Hessen-Kassel) and then chronoligically present the list here, would that make the search some easier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David M Posted November 6, 2013 Author Share Posted November 6, 2013 (edited) These are alle PROA3's, I looked through the STB's so I was able to give an estimation of the years. Please tell me if this works. If not, I would be more then happy to look through the Ordenlisten myself, do you know where to find them? Schrader Wilhelm Ludwig Geheimer Regierungsrath PROA3 before 1834 1787-1856 Wilkens von Hohenau Karl Friedrich Major a la suite PROA3 before 1834 1792-1888 Pfeiffer Franz Georg Geheime Regierungsrath PROA3 before 1837 after 1835 Bàumler Georg Philipp Adam PROA3 before 1841 after 1839 Kopp Johann Heinrich Geheime Ober-Medicinalrath PROA3 before 1843 after 1839 von Starck Kriegsrath PROA3 before 1843 after 1835 Wöhler August PROA3 before 1847 after 1843 von Heppe Theodor Geheime Regierungsrath PROA3 before 1847 after 1843 Spohr Louis PROA3 before 1847 after 1843 von Kaltenborn-Stachau Rudolph Wilhelm Carl Roland Oberst-lieutenant PROA3 before 1851 after 1847 von Lossberg Carl Wilhelm Jeremias PROA3 before 1851 after 1847 Weiss Wilhelm Otto Theodor PROA3X before 1852 after 1847 Schenck zu Schweinsberg Heinrich August Ludwig Oberst PROA3 1853 Wachs Heinrich Regierungs-Director PROA3 before 1856 after 1851 Schier Martin Generalstabsarzt PROA3 before 1856 after 1851 Lange Georg Friedrich Geheime Oberbaurath PROA3 before 1856 after 1851 von Marschall Wellenstein Christian Oberstlieutenant PROA3 before 1856 after 1851 Treusch von Buttlar Julius Oberst PROA3 before 1856 after 1851 von Eschwege Hermann Ludwig Carl Julius Hans Major und Flügeladjutant PROA3 before 1856 after 1851 von Heimrod Ludwig Friedrich Major PROA3 before 1856 after 1851 Cramer Wilhelm Ober-Finanzrath PROA3 before 1859 after 1856 Freiherr von Dörnberg Emil Kammerherr PROA3 before 1860 after 1856 von Schmerfeld Sigmund Director der Eisenbahn-Direction PROA3 before 1864 after 1859 Sezekorn Simon Eduard Wilhelm Geheimer Regierungsrath PROA3 before 1864 after 1860 These are all kurhessians. The Schleife is not mentioned anywhere in the Staatshandbücher, so I cannot say if all or any of these have also received the 4th Class. Edited November 6, 2013 by David M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arb Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 (edited) David, Here are a few from the 1841-1852 Ordens Listen: These are all "ohne Schleife" (except for the ones you marked with swords) Andy Schrader Wilhelm Ludwig Geheimer Regierungsrath PROA3 before 1834 1787-1856 Wilkens von Hohenau Karl Friedrich Major a la suite PROA3 before 1834 1792-1888 Pfeiffer Franz Georg Geheime Regierungsrath PROA3 before 1837 after 1835 Bàumler Georg Philipp Adam PROA3 before 1841 after 1839 Kopp Johann Heinrich Geheime Ober-Medicinalrath PROA3 before 1843 after 183931.01.1842 von Starck Kriegsrath PROA3 before 1843 after 1835 Wöhler August PROA3 before 1847 after 1843 28.07.1843 von Heppe Theodor Geheime Regierungsrath PROA3 before 1847 after 1843 18.01.1844 Spohr Louis PROA3 before 1847 after 1843 16.01.1847 von Kaltenborn-Stachau Rudolph Wilhelm Carl Roland Oberst-lieutenant PROA3 before 1851 after 1847 12.02.1849 von Lossberg Carl Wilhelm Jeremias PROA3 before 1851 after 1847 26.10.1847 Weiss Wilhelm Otto Theodor PROA3X before 1852 after 1847 09.10.1849 Schenck zu Schweinsberg Heinrich August Ludwig Oberst PROA3 1853 07.06.1853 Wachs Heinrich Regierungs-Director PROA3 before 1856 after 1851 Schier Martin Generalstabsarzt PROA3 before 1856 after 1851 14.08.1851 Lange Georg Friedrich Geheime Oberbaurath PROA3 before 1856 after 1851 27.07.1850 von Marschall Wellenstein Christian Oberstlieutenant PROA3 before 1856 after 185126.07.1853 Treusch von Buttlar Julius Oberst PROA3 before 1856 after 185126.07.1853 von Eschwege Hermann Ludwig Carl Julius Hans Major und Flügeladjutant PROA3 before 1856 after 1851 23.04.1853 von Heimrod Ludwig Friedrich Major PROA3 before 1856 after 185126.07.1853 Cramer Wilhelm Ober-Finanzrath PROA3 before 1859 after 1856 Freiherr von Dörnberg Emil Kammerherr PROA3 before 1860 after 1856 von Schmerfeld Sigmund Director der Eisenbahn-Direction PROA3 before 1864 after 1859 Sezekorn Simon Eduard Wilhelm Geheimer Regierungsrath PROA3 before 1864 after 1860 Edited November 6, 2013 by arb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David M Posted November 7, 2013 Author Share Posted November 7, 2013 Andy, I simply have no words ...and to think no-one even indexed these ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komtur Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 (edited) Schrader 1824 Wilkens v. Hohenau 1824 Pfeiffer 1836 Dr. Bäumler 1839 v. Starck 1836 Wachs 1853 Cramer 29.10.1856 Frh. v. Dörnberg 25.10.1856 (Johanniterorden 1854) v. Schmerfeld 1860 Sezekorn 1860 Unfortunately the early Prussian Ordenslisten did non mention the day and month. These complete Ordenslisten with all living decorated persons were edited between all 6 to 10 years. In between were published annual so called "Veränderungen" (= Changes) with the complete date. I got only some of these "Veränderungen" and do not know, if these came out regularly. Regards, Komtur. Edited November 9, 2013 by Komtur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David M Posted November 9, 2013 Author Share Posted November 9, 2013 Hi Komthur thanks for the information! I will have to look into these verànderungen a bit more, see if they are in complete series in any kind of library I can use. regards David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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