Prussia red eagle order

[David M]

Hi

I was wondering: is it possible to find the dates for PROA3 class and lower for the 1840-1866 era? Where would I be able to find these dates?

I would like to use them to complete the entries on the men decorated with the churhessian orders I am researching

Thanks a lot

regards

David

[arb]

David,

The Ordenslisten and MWB are good sources but hard to use absent an index. Perhaps you can post a list of what you are looking for and we might be able to help fill in a few dates for you.

Andy

[David M]

Hi Andy, its quite a list in totall. What I'll do is I'll work on providing the name and an estimation on the time (year when it would first appear in the staatshandbuch of Hessen-Kassel) and then chronoligically present the list here, would that make the search some easier?

[David M]

These are alle PROA3's, I looked through the STB's so I was able to give an estimation of the years. Please tell me if this works. If not, I would be more then happy to look through the Ordenlisten myself, do you know where to find them?

Schrader Wilhelm Ludwig Geheimer Regierungsrath PROA3 before 1834 1787-1856

Wilkens von Hohenau Karl Friedrich Major a la suite PROA3 before 1834 1792-1888

Pfeiffer Franz Georg Geheime Regierungsrath PROA3 before 1837 after 1835

Bàumler Georg Philipp Adam PROA3 before 1841 after 1839

Kopp Johann Heinrich Geheime Ober-Medicinalrath PROA3 before 1843 after 1839

von Starck Kriegsrath PROA3 before 1843 after 1835

Wöhler August PROA3 before 1847 after 1843

von Heppe Theodor Geheime Regierungsrath PROA3 before 1847 after 1843

Spohr Louis PROA3 before 1847 after 1843

von Kaltenborn-Stachau Rudolph Wilhelm Carl Roland Oberst-lieutenant PROA3 before 1851 after 1847

von Lossberg Carl Wilhelm Jeremias PROA3 before 1851 after 1847

Weiss Wilhelm Otto Theodor PROA3X before 1852 after 1847

Schenck zu Schweinsberg Heinrich August Ludwig Oberst PROA3 1853

Wachs Heinrich Regierungs-Director PROA3 before 1856 after 1851

Schier Martin Generalstabsarzt PROA3 before 1856 after 1851

Lange Georg Friedrich Geheime Oberbaurath PROA3 before 1856 after 1851

von Marschall Wellenstein Christian Oberstlieutenant PROA3 before 1856 after 1851

Treusch von Buttlar Julius Oberst PROA3 before 1856 after 1851

von Eschwege Hermann Ludwig Carl Julius Hans Major und Flügeladjutant PROA3 before 1856 after 1851

von Heimrod Ludwig Friedrich Major PROA3 before 1856 after 1851

Cramer Wilhelm Ober-Finanzrath PROA3 before 1859 after 1856

Freiherr von Dörnberg Emil Kammerherr PROA3 before 1860 after 1856

von Schmerfeld Sigmund Director der Eisenbahn-Direction PROA3 before 1864 after 1859

Sezekorn Simon Eduard Wilhelm Geheimer Regierungsrath PROA3 before 1864 after 1860

These are all kurhessians. The Schleife is not mentioned anywhere in the Staatshandbücher, so I cannot say if all or any of these have also received the 4th Class.

Edited November 6, 2013 by David M

[arb]

David,

Here are a few from the 1841-1852 Ordens Listen: These are all "ohne Schleife" (except for the ones you marked with swords)

Andy

Schrader Wilhelm Ludwig Geheimer Regierungsrath PROA3 before 1834 1787-1856

Wilkens von Hohenau Karl Friedrich Major a la suite PROA3 before 1834 1792-1888

Pfeiffer Franz Georg Geheime Regierungsrath PROA3 before 1837 after 1835

Bàumler Georg Philipp Adam PROA3 before 1841 after 1839

Kopp Johann Heinrich Geheime Ober-Medicinalrath PROA3 before 1843 after 183931.01.1842

von Starck Kriegsrath PROA3 before 1843 after 1835

Wöhler August PROA3 before 1847 after 1843 28.07.1843

von Heppe Theodor Geheime Regierungsrath PROA3 before 1847 after 1843 18.01.1844

Spohr Louis PROA3 before 1847 after 1843 16.01.1847

von Kaltenborn-Stachau Rudolph Wilhelm Carl Roland Oberst-lieutenant PROA3 before 1851 after 1847 12.02.1849

von Lossberg Carl Wilhelm Jeremias PROA3 before 1851 after 1847 26.10.1847

Weiss Wilhelm Otto Theodor PROA3X before 1852 after 1847 09.10.1849

Schenck zu Schweinsberg Heinrich August Ludwig Oberst PROA3 1853 07.06.1853

Wachs Heinrich Regierungs-Director PROA3 before 1856 after 1851

Schier Martin Generalstabsarzt PROA3 before 1856 after 1851 14.08.1851

Lange Georg Friedrich Geheime Oberbaurath PROA3 before 1856 after 1851 27.07.1850

von Marschall Wellenstein Christian Oberstlieutenant PROA3 before 1856 after 185126.07.1853

Treusch von Buttlar Julius Oberst PROA3 before 1856 after 185126.07.1853

von Eschwege Hermann Ludwig Carl Julius Hans Major und Flügeladjutant PROA3 before 1856 after 1851 23.04.1853

von Heimrod Ludwig Friedrich Major PROA3 before 1856 after 185126.07.1853

Cramer Wilhelm Ober-Finanzrath PROA3 before 1859 after 1856

Freiherr von Dörnberg Emil Kammerherr PROA3 before 1860 after 1856

von Schmerfeld Sigmund Director der Eisenbahn-Direction PROA3 before 1864 after 1859

Sezekorn Simon Eduard Wilhelm Geheimer Regierungsrath PROA3 before 1864 after 1860

Edited November 6, 2013 by arb

[David M]

Andy, I simply have no words ...and to think no-one even indexed these ...

[Komtur]

Schrader 1824

Wilkens v. Hohenau 1824

Pfeiffer 1836

Dr. Bäumler 1839

v. Starck 1836

Wachs 1853

Cramer 29.10.1856

Frh. v. Dörnberg 25.10.1856 (Johanniterorden 1854)

v. Schmerfeld 1860

Sezekorn 1860

Unfortunately the early Prussian Ordenslisten did non mention the day and month. These complete Ordenslisten with all living decorated persons were edited between all 6 to 10 years. In between were published annual so called "Veränderungen" (= Changes) with the complete date. I got only some of these "Veränderungen" and do not know, if these came out regularly.

Regards, Komtur.

Edited November 9, 2013 by Komtur

[David M]

Hi Komthur

thanks for the information! I will have to look into these verànderungen a bit more, see if they are in complete series in any kind of library I can use.

regards

David