Japan 6th class Rising Sun in Chocolate Case

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Friend sent me this photos that were posted at one russian forum.

Interesting case (in both sences of this word )

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Order

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Leaf

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Sun

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Well, what we have here is an examplarary late Meiji/Taisho specimen

I`d say 10s/20s

Rosette and case completely correspond to the order.

Now.

About this case

Instead this

we have this

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Let`s discuss this

First of all I don`t think that anybody was messing around with this case.

Otherwise we woundn`t have untouched inscription

And they are untouched!

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How this box start looking like this one http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_12_2013/post-6141-0-40935700-1388153168.jpg?

Or maybe it had chocolate color from the very begining?

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Together with this pictures I reserved "an expert opinion".

According to which this color reminds him brown/chocolate cases for "Cannons".

Seriously?!

Guess this is how such "Cannon" case looks like

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Not very chocolate if you asked me

vs.

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Another problem with this "hypothesis" is inner case border

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See what I am talking about?

Perfectly black.

So first reason for this chocolate shade could be simple burning-out of case lid

Unfortunately we don`t have pictures of box interior ...

Let`s hope owner of this set will see this thread

For now let`s assume that it is not a simple consequences of "burning-out".

But what else it can be?

Any traces of brown cases?

Actually yes, but these cases have slightly different color and came from much earlier time period.

I am talking about quadro boxes from 1880s.

Let`s hit them!

Edited December 27, 2013 by JapanX

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Sometimes early rising sun orders can be found in perfectly black (at least at first sight they are perfectly black) lacquered cases. But sometimes they have slightly different coloring. Some mix of red and mahogany.

Luckily I have both colors

Two 8th class cases (one on the right was issued in 1889)

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Check out this inscriptions!

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As I said mahogany

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Although under different light it looks like this

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Not only case lid, but all outter surface of case has this coloring

Sides

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Butt-ends

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Inner rim

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It doesn't surprise me, in the late 1970s and 80s there were some Omega Speedmasters and Rolexes (other brands as well ) that started their lives as Black dial models, throughout time and with active use they could develop a tone anywhere from Chocolate (as we see here) to even a light blue color, depending on where the individual lived and what climate the watch was under.

If even the proportions for some paint is incorrect or not enough laquer is applied to seal the color this fading can occur

There are a couple conditions and names for these dials but most common is the "Tropical Dial"

Its an everyday thing in watches don't think that orders and medals cases would be too far off in color, one step of the process is incorrectly applied and it can turn some crazy colors through time.

Just an additional note: there are some really interesting variations that can make a dial look either completely brown, or even have tiger stripes appearances or "spider webs" anyway just an insight into my watch passion

Edited December 27, 2013 by Rogi

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If even the proportions for some paint is incorrect or not enough laquer is applied to seal the color this fading can occur .

Yes!

This was exactly what I was thinking!

But what intensity of coloring has this case in post #1!!!!

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Yes!

This was exactly what I was thinking!

But what intensity of coloring has this case in post #1!!!!

If its ok I'll post some watches for examples, it can go anywhere from light brown to an almost scarlet brown, its really crazy :D

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Well, since there could be fans of early rising sun orders here are two pieces inside these cases

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Check out this craftsmenship!

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Well, since there could be fans of early rising sun orders here are two pieces inside these cases

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