Rusty Greaves Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 (edited) Gentlemen, I am looking for some help in identifying an Egyptian medal awarded to my wife's great grandfather in the early 20th century. He was appointed by president Taft to the Mixed Courts in Egypt between 1911-1936. He made a brief second visit to Egypt for the OAS in 1942. Judge Pierre Crabites was the presiding judge on the Mixed courts for the case for sequestration rights to the Tomb of Tutankhamun in 1924. We have an image of him in his judicial robes wearing the Judicial Badge, although that badge is not with the family at this point. He was on very friendly terms with King Farouk and was a frequent visitor to the palace and its library. He found in favor of Egypt keeping the Tutankhamun artifacts in country and not allowing them to be taken to Britain. Judge Crabites was awarded the Order of Ismail (probably Grand Officer class) and another medal I cannot yet identify. I have attached 2 images of this medal (I apologize for the poor quality of the images through the glass of the mounting). The medal in question is not a military award, and is likely related to his judgement that kept the Tutankhamun artifacts in Egypt. The medal is round with the Khedive crown on top, it is gold or gold plated. The central portrait is a 3/4 view of a moustached man in a military style uniform and fez that is probably King Farouk. There is no writing on the visible side of the medal (it is in a frame and I cannot open it yet to see the reverse side). Around the margin are several images of Egytian antiquities separated from each other and the central portrait by scrolling. In the 12:00, 4:00, and 8:00 positions are stylized forms of ancient Egyptian scarabs flanked by lotus blossoms. On the upper right third is an image of the sphinx. On the upper left third is a view of the pyramids. At the bottom is a scene that probably represents archaeological ruins. I have not yet had any luck in my research to identify this medal and would appreciate any help determining what it may have been awarded for or suggestions about references I could consult further. Thank you for your attention to my inquiry. Edited November 2, 2016 by Rusty Greaves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 If you can get it out of the case and illustrate the reverse I feel it is very likely that it will be identifiable Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Greaves Posted November 4, 2016 Author Share Posted November 4, 2016 Thanks Paul, the medal is not currently available for me to take out of its display. The opportunity may come, but unfortunately not at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisW Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Rusty, Thanks for posting this. It's a remarkable piece, with a great back story and family connection. The motifs (pyramids and lotuses) definitely mark it as Egyptian. But I don't think the figure is of King Farouk, or his predecessor, King Fuad. This figure is too slender, with a fuller mustache, than either of the kings. It might be a lower ranking official, perhaps a prince? Chris I may have answered my own question. Could it be Khedive Abbas II, ruler of Egypt from 1892-1914? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Greaves Posted November 5, 2016 Author Share Posted November 5, 2016 Dear Chris, Thanks for your input. I understand the question about the likeness. Certainly it could be King Fuad, Khedive Abbas II, or some other royal as you suggest rather than Farouk. I still have not come across any descriptive or photographic material that can help me identify the nature of this medal. As I noted, Judge Crabites was in Egypt 1911-36, and briefly in 1942 before the British maneuvered to have him shifted to the backwater location of Baghdad because of his royalist sympathies in Egypt. Crabites died in Baghdad in 1943. The family has the collar star and badge for the Order of Ismail mounted with this same unidentified medal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Greaves Posted November 5, 2016 Author Share Posted November 5, 2016 (edited) Chris-Zowie-you were 100% correct and have allowed me to identify this medal!! Yay-hurray! Indeed, the portrait is Khedive Abbas Hilmi II, and it is a medal commemorating his coronation and return from Hegaz. I found a couple images that are copyrighted by Hassan Kamel Kelisi-Morali through Flickr and them on Picssr (http://picssr.com/photos/kelisli/interesting/page42?nsid=7892156@N08 pages 42-43. Both images are identified as the reverse sides. The side I cannot see has a central image of a mosque, an inscription at the bottom, a stylized ancient Egyptian Horus in the 12:00 position, and the other border elements are identical to those on the side I have illustrated (that probably is the front since it has Abbas II portrait). Now what I need to track down is the date of issue and I do not yet know the location or significance of Hegaz. Thank you so much for your help! I was awake last night several times excited because the image you sent and my first checks on Abbas II were spot on with the medal portrait. There were a few old Ebay images that turned up as image thumbnails during my searches-but I could not find the original entries anywhere until I hit on flickr then linked to picssr. I'm not posting the reverse as it is copyrighted. Most gratefully yours-Rusty Edited November 5, 2016 by Rusty Greaves minor spelling error Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egyptian Zogist Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 (edited) Hello! That is a very interesting piece you've got there! The Hejaz (الحجاز) is the western (Red Sea) coast of what is today Saudi Arabia. It is the location of the holy cities of Mecca and Medina, and is the destination of those participating in the Muslim "Hajj" pilgrimage. Here is a lithograph (I think?) of the Khedive Abbas Helmy II arriving at Medina and being received by the Ottoman authorities. While Egypt did have a hereditary ruler at the time, it was nominally a province of the Ottoman Empire, as was the Hejaz. The reverse of the medal shows the Mohammed Aly Mosque, located in the medieval citadel of Cairo. This iconic mosque was built by Mohammed Aly Pasha, the founder of the dynasty of the khedives, and later Kings Fouad and Farouk. I can barely make out a few words from the inscription of the bottom of the medal, but I see it says "الاحتفال بعيد جلوس الخديوي" that is, "the celebration of the anniversary of the Khedive's enthronement" and a couple of words I can't make out, and finally "العودة من الأقطار الحجازية" the return from the Hejazian lands/regions. The date is at the bottom, but unfortunately I can't make out the year, but the rest of it says Tuesday 13th (or 12th I can't tell) Muharram. The year would then, obviously, be the Hegira date, not AD. Very beautiful piece! Sorry I couldn't be of more help. EDIT: I found the actual dies for this medal being sold, according to that site " Pair of indeterminate iron embossing dies with high relief . The front shows the ruler in an ornamental frame with landmark Egypt ( Sphinx and pyramids ). The reverse presents a view of a Mosque ( Mohammed Ali Mosque in Cairo ) within an ornamental frame , above Horus falcon , bottom two lines of Arabic script. The front bears the signature "S. G. un ". The back is called the year 1325 AH ( = 1907 AD ) in the inscription. Weight : 1.45 kg and 1.65 kg, Diameter : 78.26 mm and 78.80 mm . " http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/ottoman-egypt-medal-die-abbas-hilmi-138509049 Also, hope this isn't too off topic, but I found a rather interesting bookplate that appears to have belonged to Pierre Crabites and his wife Charlotte: Source: http://bookplatejunkie.blogspot.com.eg/2014/04/this-week-in-bookplates-april-13th-2014.html Edited November 6, 2016 by Egyptian Zogist Found more information 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Greaves Posted November 6, 2016 Author Share Posted November 6, 2016 (edited) Dear Egyptian Zogist, you have been of great help in my quest about this medal and additional family history. Many thanks for the additional information on the location of Hejaz as the area of Al-Medina and Mecca, your identification of the mosque in Cairo, the lithograph, and translation of the inscription on this medal. I do have a copy of Pierre & Charlotte Crabites' bookplate (and the translation) which was drawn by Mary Reisner, daughter of the Egyptlogist Dr. George Reisner. The information on the die description you found is also quite intersting. Does the identified the anniversary year of 1907 in that description square with what you can read? Edited November 6, 2016 by Rusty Greaves re: additional info in previous message Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egyptian Zogist Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 14 hours ago, Rusty Greaves said: The information on the die description you found is also quite intersting. Does the identified the anniversary year of 1907 in that description square with what you can read? Well, according to The Royal Ark [http://www.royalark.net/ an amazing resource on non-European (with the exception of Albania) ruling dynasties incl. orders and decorations], the Khedive Abbas Hilmi II was "Installed at the Citadel, Cairo, 26th March 1892". The date on the medal is 12 (or 13, I can't see the numeral clearly) Muharram, 1325. According to a Hegira/Gregorian date converter I found online, 13 Muharram 1325 is 26th February 1907. So, a month's difference. Oddly, though, the anniversary date appears to have been based on the Gregorian date of the khedive's enthronement (or close enough to it), but the Hegira equivalent (of the date of the anniversary in 1907) is what is inscribed on the medal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Greaves Posted November 6, 2016 Author Share Posted November 6, 2016 Wow, I really appreciate the work you have done on this medal. While I can stumble through some ancient Egyptian, I do not read any Arabic, so this is a huge help to me. I have used Royal Ark for some of my research, and it was a location where I was first able to identify some initial information about the Order of Ismail that Crabites was awarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Greaves Posted November 7, 2016 Author Share Posted November 7, 2016 I have an additional question about the Khedive Abbas Hilmi II coronation anniversary and return from Hegaz medal. Since the commemorative medal I have asked about is not a military service award, nor one of the other service to the state awards, how would such medals be obtained? Would this have been a gift from someone in the royal family whom Judge Crabites was friendly with, other officials, were they availalbe for purchase? I have found confirmation that he was awarded the Order of Ismail at the Grand Officer class (limited to 75 individuals, living I assume?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter monahan Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 "and his wife, his beloved, the mistress of the house'. How lovely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory6 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Hello, Rusty Greaves question, how much the Egyptian Khedive medal Hello, how are these medals and what is the price Egyptian Khedive medal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Greaves Posted January 10, 2017 Author Share Posted January 10, 2017 Gregory6, the Abbas Hilmi II commemorative coronation & return from Hegaz medal is a family piece that belonged to my wife's great-grandfather. We currently have no plans to sell this piece. I also do not have any idea of the market value of this medal. The one reference to it on an Ebay site that I could find did not include a price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Greaves Posted March 25, 2017 Author Share Posted March 25, 2017 Gentlemen & ladies, I have only small amount of additional information to update from my ongoing research about this medal. This is a commemorative "table" medal that was probably made by Tewfick Bichay of Cairo, who also cast several honorary awards for the Egyptian Khedive and the Republic, as well as other badges (i.e., the Mixed Courts judges' badges I have written about on other posts). I do not yet know if this medal is gilt bronze which is likely given the other commemorative medals I can find from Abbas Hilmi's regin. My wife's great grandfather was likely given this medal from a member of the royal family, potentially because of his strong anti-British sentiments while serving on the Distritict Mixed Courts in Cairo. His award of the Order of Ismail, Grand Officer Class, would probably been given to him at the end of his term on the Mixed Courts (1936). Judges of the mixed courts were supposedly prohibited from receiving honors from the Egyptian government during their tenure on the courts (Brinton, Jasper Yeates, 1968: The Mixed Courts of Egypt, 2nd edition. Yale University Press, New Haven. Pp:53-54). So the award of the Order of Ismail was most likely given at his retirement in 1936. Unfortunately, the family has neither the case nor brevet for this award, although they do have the breast star (but not the sash) and the neck star with its ribbon in very good shape. All of the illustrations and information I have seen identify that the maker for the Order of Ismail was J. Lattes, a businesses in Cairo (and Geneva?) that was located near the European quarters in Cairo (likely French-trained or expatriates). Another individual is trying to cross-check some dates to confirm that the Abbas Hilmi II commemorative medal was probably struck in 1907. A minor correction about the coronation of Abbas Hilmi II relative to the information provided by Egyptian Zogist on 11/6/2016 is that his coronation would have been performed at Abdin Palace, not at the citadel. The citadel apparently had ceased to serve as the official residence of the rulers of Egypt during the reign of Abbas Hilmi's grandfather, Khedive Ismail the Magnificent. Other than being able to say that this medal is not common, I have not gotten any additional information on how rare this commemorative medal may be. It is certainly much less common than other Abbas Hilmi II commemorative medals that I can find on auction sites (especially the gilt bronze Abbas Hilmi International Import & Export Competition, Suez commemorative c1892; or the Abbas Hilmi gilt bronze Exposition internationald du Progres, Cairo 1985 commemorative medal-both of these appear with some frequency on on auction sites, i.e., the former is identified as "scarce" and sold for 2,200 GBP in extremely fine condition [lot 845] and the latter [lot 846] as "very rare" and sold for 2,100 GBP in mint state; or the Abbas Hilmi Dedication of the National Museum of Egyptian Antiquities, Cairo, 1897, silver, sold for 2,500 GBP [lot 847], identified as very rare in near extremely fine condition on Baldwin's archived Islamic Coin Auction 27 of 12/20/2010: https://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=1655&category=34440; or the Abbas Hilmi 1er Congres de Medecine, 1902, Cairo silver commemorative, currently on sale for $1,250 on eBay, identified as "excellent" condition: http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/322450407022?vectorid=229466&item=322450407022&rmvSB=true). I have still found no additional images on the internet, nor any auction mentions of this Abbas Himi coronation medal, other than those I have previously identified and the link to a set of dies for this medal provided by Egyptian Zogist on 11/5/2016. At one point I encountered one additional thumbnail image from an archived eBay sale, but could not download the image, enlarge it, and it has not re-appeared during my subsequent searches. Some inquiries to auction houses have still not turned up any suggestions about this medal's scarcity. Obverse of the Abbas Hilmi II medal commemorating his coronation and return from the Hegaz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory6 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Dear Mr. Rusty,Thank you for the information, I am grateful for the picture, I would like to say that this is a very rare medal, if possible please write who could get it as a gift, for merit and whether there is any information how and who made these medals.Can you rate this medal?Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Greaves Posted October 26, 2017 Author Share Posted October 26, 2017 (edited) Dear Gregory, Thank you for your continued interest in this medal. You stated it is quite rare, do you have any additional information about this Abbas Hilmi II medal? As noted in my post of March 25, the best I can determine about this commemorative medal is that my wife's great grandfather most likely received it as a gift at the end of his term as a judge on the Mixed Courts of Egypt. I do not know much about such commemorative medals, how they were given or whether they would have been available for purchase. Judge Crabites probably received this from a member of the Royal Family, with whom he was quite friendly during his tenure in Cairo. According to one of the Judges on the Appeals Court whom I cited here on March 25 (Brinton, Jasper Yeates, 1968, The Mixed Courts of Egypt, 2nd edition, Yale University Press, New Haven: pp. 53-54) judges were not allowed to receive honors during their time serving the court, but such honors, including the Order of Ismael that Crabites was given, were not uncommonly awarded at the end of their time on the Mixed Courts. It is likely he also was given this medal at that time (1936). Judge Crabites apparently was given the Order of Ismael for his service on the court and was seen as friendly with the King Fuad I and sympathetic to Egyptian interests. That position may have blocked his chances for a subsequent appointment to the Appeals Court (the highest court and a common advancement for judges who had served on the District Courts) and led to his re-assignment to Baghdad (where he died in 1943) during World War II because of British fears of his royalist sympathies with King Farouk I during his initial appointment to Cairo by the OAS in 1942. I have attached two additional images of the obverse and reverse of this badge that I included in my post "Egyptian Khedive commemorative medal question" about this Abbas Hilmi II commemorative medal under Middle East & Arab States, beginning on November 11, 2016. This medal was probably cast by the firm of Tewfick Bichay in Cairo, who also cast several other commemorative and other medals for the Egyptian Khedive and the Republic (see my string on "Egyptian Khedive Judge's Badge question" here on GMIC beginning on November 17, 2016, under Middle East & Arab States). Egyptian Zogist provided a link in this string on November 6, 2016 to a set of steel dies for this commemorative medal that was sold on worhtpoint.com. I am providing the low resolution image of those dies below. I'm afraid I am a rank amateur and not a well-versed phaleristics enthusiast, so my ability to rate this medal's condition (if that is what you are asking me) is more than imperfect. The medal shows some wear on the high points from storage prior to being framed by my mother-in-law. Edited October 26, 2017 by Rusty Greaves minor spelling corrections Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Greaves Posted November 16, 2017 Author Share Posted November 16, 2017 Looking at images I took last year of this medal I have recently noticed an inscription on the obverse side of the medal I had not seen before, and for which I can get almost no information from the few descriptive sources I have found. This is an inscription visible on the lower left, just inside the the portrait margin, below the right shoulder of Abbas Hilmi II's portrait, above the scarab in the ~8:00 o'clock position. I see this inscription in all of the few images I have seen of this medal, but only my photos of this medal in a glass rooted mount provide much detail. I will probably have to visit the family member's home and use magnification and take a photo to document this, but thought I would see if anyone has any suggestions about this inscription. It is not in Arabic. A short statement exists in the description of the steel dies that Egyptian Zogist brought to my attention in his post on November 5, 2016 in the first string I created about this medal here in the Africa section before I realized there was a separate Middle East & Arab States section on GMIC (titled "Egyptian Khedive commemorative medal question") regarding a set of steel dies for this medal that were on sale on WorthPoint.com (shown in my previous post here of October 26). I apologize for this double posting, but I still get occasional hits on this initial posting although I am trying to keep my inquiries in the Middle East & Arab States section. The description for the set of dies states that an inscription on the obverse is a signature reading "S.G. un". This does not appear to match what little I can make out in my current imagery, and I am unsure if that refers to the medal or margins of the die outside of mold for the medal. I'm including 2 views of this, the second with different lighting may show the second word as "1917", but that is not completely clear. I realize there is not much information on this medal, but wanted to fish here among the knowledgable contributors to GMIC and see if anyone may suggest additional information sources about this inscription or the medal in general. Many thanks! detail of inscription on obverse of the Abbas Hilmi II medal commemorating his coronation ad return from Hegaz. The inscription is on the lower left of the medal, just left of the right shoulder in the portrait of Abbas Hilmi II detail of inscription on obverse of the Abbas Hilmi II medal commemorating his coronation ad return from Hegaz. The inscription is on the lower left of the medal, just left of the right shoulder in the portrait of Abbas Hilmi II. This image is slightly different lighting than in the previous image. The second word in the inscription may be "1917"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Greaves Posted December 2, 2017 Author Share Posted December 2, 2017 (edited) The inscription is the signature of "MASSONNET · EDIT · ", the well known French medal editeur. Edited December 2, 2017 by Rusty Greaves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Greaves Posted December 5, 2017 Author Share Posted December 5, 2017 I apologize for my profound phaleristics ignorance, but I do not know what the specific role of a medal editeur is. Can someone please explain to me what role Massonnet Edit. is likely to have played in designing this medal, and how that is articulated into the manufacture of this medal by Tewfik Bichay? I have had poor luck on any internet searches about Massonnet Edit, and do not have access to a good phalereistics library at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Greaves Posted December 9, 2017 Author Share Posted December 9, 2017 I still hope that someone may have some information they are willing to pass along about Massonnet Edit, I'm also making some inquiries among some specifically numismatic information groups, but wanted to post a good images of the obverse & reverse of this image I recently came across. The photos probably have been edited with a graphics program, but it is a high-resolution image with good details of this medal. Image of the obverse & reverse of the Abbas Hilmi II table medal commemorating his coronation and return from the Hegaz. This image is from an auction listing of 12 October, 2015 through La Galerie Numismatique, lot 182. In the catalogue it is misidentified as "Fouad I King of Egypt and Sudan Medal for Sultan Hassan Hassan Mosque" c 1922. This site also identifies the lower left obverse inscription of "Massonnet Edit." The starting price (300 EUR) and realized price (600 EUR) for this medal seem low by comparison with other Abbas Hilmi II medals on website auction sites, this may partly be due to the mis-attribution of this medal and not realizing its possible value or scarcity. (https://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=2277&category=45886&lot=1928365). I have also recently found the eBay listing of one of these medals that I referred to on 25 March, 2017 archived through the Worthpont.com website (https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/egypt-gilded-bronze-medal-b29-115277729). The images of the obverse & reverse are low-resolution, but the eBay listing does also note the "Massonnet Edit" signature, identifying it as belonging to a "famous 19th century French engraver". The listing for the medal includes minimal information, the seller stated they did not know much about the medal, and the 22, July 2010 auction sale price reflects that - $76 (how I wish I had been doing this research in 2010!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Greaves Posted April 28, 2018 Author Share Posted April 28, 2018 (edited) I have an update on Massonnet Editeur, some additional information about this commemorative medal, and comparative info on other Abbas HIlmi medals in the thread on this topic in the Middle East & Arab States section: Edited April 28, 2018 by Rusty Greaves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Greaves Posted July 23, 2018 Author Share Posted July 23, 2018 Here are 2 recent updates about this medal: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Greaves Posted October 2, 2018 Author Share Posted October 2, 2018 Here is a recent minor addition to the thread on this medal: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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