8 Placer - China service - ribbon bar - traceable?

[Uffz. Rohleder]

Hello Guy's,

I'm back from a small ribbon bar haul.

 

Got this pretty nice 8 Placer!

 

Fltr:

EK2 / Kriegshilfsdienst / Allgemeines Ehrenzeichen / Kronenorden (?) / Dienstauszeichnung XXV (?) / Kolonial Denkmünze / China Denkmünze / Centenarmedaille

 

Is there any chance to identify the owner?

Or maybe anyone can tell the story about this bar?

[dedehansen]

Hi,

could be NCO / Deckoffizier Roter Adlerordenmedaille and Kronenordenmedaille

or also Offizier Roter Adlerorden 4 and Kronenorden 3 or 4

So how can one be sure?

Kind regards
Andreas

[Uffz. Rohleder]

Thanks Andreas.

Yeah sometimes I'm to euphoric. I realy like this bar and find it very special.

So it's a navy bar?

[Dave Danner]

There is no way to be certain. Prussian-only bars are hard to narrow down. 

[Paul C]

Agreed. Bars to NCOs are not traceable.

[Dave Danner]

Rick probably could have traced a Deckoffizier bar, but even then probably only if there were foreign or other German state awards.  

Here, we cannot say for certain if it is an officer's or an NCO's bar, or if it is Army or Navy. We cannot even say for certain if it is active or reserve, since many officers of the Beurlaubtenstand received the Centenary Medal while active for reserve Übungen in March 1897, and many civil servants received the China and Southwest Africa medals in steel.

Indeed, although it is more likely given the award numbers, I cannot say for certain if the first ribbon is the EK2. It could be a Militärehrenzeichen to an NCO or petty officer, and he could have been retired or otherwise away from the front in World War I, thus never getting an EK2.

[Uffz. Rohleder]

Thank you very much guys.

All in a it's a nice bar and the first of that kind for my collection

[HeikoGrusdat]

Nice bar if I should make a guess I would say navy some kind of Deckoffizier with MEZ2 in first place and some times in away from home in china AND other colonial places because of the Kolonialdenkmünze - ww1 only with the war aid cross....but as said before , you can only guess here.... are there holes in the ribbons of battle clasps orI what do I see.... maybe 4 holes I can make out....

[Uffz. Rohleder]

Thanks Heiko.

Sorry for my late reply. No those aren't holes for clasps. The bar had a bad home before.

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After a little research I found some ncos and officers with similar bars (more or less medals).

Could the second ribbon - we identifyed it as War aid cross - maybe a crown order with Geneva cross? Those special order had the same ribbon as the war aid cross.

Just find the war aid cross a little misplaced with all those colonial and pre war stuff.

 

 

[dedehansen]

I am afraid,

this is not possible, it must be a Kreuz für Kriegshilfe.

Kind regards
Andreas

 

[Uffz. Rohleder]

Thanks Andreas,

it's always good to hear it from other persons.

Do you think he was retired from the army / navy during ww1 and got his Kreuz für Kriegshilfsdienst as Civilian?

I just try to understand this ribbon bar a little.

[HeikoGrusdat]

There are many possibilities to get this cross....