scottplen Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Whould a holder of the iron cross 2nd class on the noncombat ribbon (white black stripes ) be eligible for the 1st class iron cross ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Technically possible, but it would be very rare... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 All the examples I know of were very senior government officials. For example: Theobald v. Bethmann-Hollweg, Reichskanzler Georg Graf v. Hertling, Reichskanzler Johann v. Dallwitz, Staathalter von Elsaß-Lothringen Paul v. Breitenbach, Minister der öffentlichen Arbeiten Rudolf Havenstein, Präsident des Reichsbanksdirektoriums August Lentze, Finanzminister Friedrich Wilhelm v. Loebell, Minister des Innern Siegfried Graf v. Roedern, Staatssekretär des Reichsschatzamts Clemens Frhr. v. Schorlemer-Lieser, Landwirtschaftsminister Wilhelm Solf, Staatssekretär des Reichskolonialamts Reinhold Sydow, Minister für Handel und Gewerbe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottplen Posted June 10, 2017 Author Share Posted June 10, 2017 Ok thanks !! I would love to see a picture of someone with both of the awards ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Dave beat me to the list, what would also be interesting would be if someone had received an EK2 on a white ribbon, but them went into the army and recieved an EK1 for military operations..... would technically be possible I think? I think there may be an age factor there though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 For the 1870 version, there were several EK1/EK2w combinations, but the 1870 EK2 was routinely awarded on the white-black ribbon to medical personnel, which was not the case with the 1914 version. I suppose there might be some older recalled doctors who had a 70EK2w and a 1914 EK1, as well. Maybe even a 70EK2w with a silver Spange and an EK1, although maybe award of the Spange would imply award of the black-white ribbon. The ribbon itself might show up for other awards. I know of at least 30 medical and intendant-types who had a Red Eagle or Crown Order with swords on the white-black ribbon from China or the colonies, and an EK1 in World War I. Adolf Köstlin, an Intendanturrat with the Gardekorps, had the RAO4Xw and KO3Xw to go with the EK1, so his ribbon bar would have one black-white ribbon followed by two white-black, though the swords would be the giveaway there. Here's the 1870 list: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komtur Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 On 10.6.2017 at 03:00, scottplen said: Ok thanks !! I would love to see a picture of someone with both of the awards ! Unfortunately Clemens Frhr. v. Schorlemer-Lieser (Landwirtschaftsminister) decided not to rearrange his prewar medal bar with his Iron Cross 2nd class on white ribbon, but was wearing his 1st class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottplen Posted June 12, 2017 Author Share Posted June 12, 2017 Wow nice image ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 On 11/06/2017 at 18:34, Dave Danner said: For the 1870 version, there were several EK1/EK2w combinations, but the 1870 EK2 was routinely awarded on the white-black ribbon to medical personnel, which was not the case with the 1914 version. Dave, I have an EKI 14 to a doctor and always imagined he would've received the non-com. ribbon with his EKII, thanks for putting me right with the above comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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