paja Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Most interesting, thanks for additional information. I'm currently translating TV documentary about Pancho Villa and the Mexican Revolution, so perhaps Mondragon's name will pop up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper_D Posted September 12, 2017 Author Share Posted September 12, 2017 (edited) On 11/09/2017 at 12:44, paja said: Looks like Bentley-Mott attended the "Grandes manœuvres de l'Est" in 1901 as well. Thanks for posting the photo and list, Paja. Interesting that Mott was still in his Blues in 1901; this would have been one of the last times he wore it officially. As he states in his memoires, "Two years later [i.e. two years after his arrival in Paris in 1900] I was designated to attend the manœuvres in England—the first the British army had ever undertaken on a big scale. ... I was dressed in our newly-adopted ‘olive-drab’ uniform (our Q.M. Department was afraid to call it khaki; that would have sounded too English) and I wore our regulation campaign hat." [T Bentley Mott, Twenty Years as Military Attaché (Oxford University Press: New York, 1937)] This change in uniform is confirmed by a photo from the following year's manoeuvres: Source: https://archive.org/stream/scribnersmagazin34newy#page/294/mode/1up Edited September 12, 2017 by Trooper_D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paja Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Thanks for the photo and the link. Although not listed, Serbian representative can be seen on the photo as well, he's on the 8th place from the left, barely visible between "France" and "Switzerland". Based on some other photos I've seen I'm pretty sure that's colonel Mihailo Živković (Михаило Живковић), future general and minister of the military in the Serbian government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper_D Posted September 13, 2017 Author Share Posted September 13, 2017 The tall German in the Ulan czapka in post #27 is Major von Hugo, appointed in February, 1901 and in post until 1905. Mott suspected that, rather than for his intelligence, the Kaiser, "picked him out because he was nearly seven feet tall. ... when he appeared at ceremonies with his uhlan helmet and his vast yellow breast-piece, he dominated the crowd like an Eiffel Tower. William II liked that sort of thing." * It is fair to say that he does stand out all the photos I have seen him in, so maybe the Kaiser had a point! *T Bentley Mott, Twenty Years as Military Attaché (Oxford University Press: New York, 1937) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper_D Posted September 15, 2017 Author Share Posted September 15, 2017 (edited) Here is a rather better image of the Military Attachés of 1902. Von Hugo dominates the centre of the group, our friend Mott is, as always, striking a jaunty pose (middle row, right), and the Serbian officer can be seen rather more clearly than in the previous image (fourth from the right). The Chilean officer (bottom row, right) has a beard to envy - although it looks like the kind you take off before you go to bed, to my eyes Edited September 15, 2017 by Trooper_D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayern Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Hello : Johan Herbert von Herbertsein , was military attache in Paris between 1900 and 1909 , a long time Paja : You will find Mondragon when you arrives to the Decena Tragica of 1913 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paja Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 (edited) 15 hours ago, Trooper_D said: Here is a rather better image of the Military Attachés of 1902. Von Hugo dominates the centre of the group, our friend Mott is, as always, striking a jaunty pose (middle row, right), and the Serbian officer can be seen rather more clearly than in the previous image (fourth from the right). The Chilean officer (bottom row, right) has a beard to envy - although it looks like the kind you take off before you go to bed, to my eyes Excellent! Thanks for uploading that post card, here's why I'm pretty sure Serbian representative is Mihailo Živaković. Edited September 16, 2017 by paja Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper_D Posted September 16, 2017 Author Share Posted September 16, 2017 8 hours ago, paja said: Excellent! Thanks for uploading that post card, here's why I'm pretty sure Serbian representative is Mihailo Živaković. You could well be right (left hand image flipped to help the comparison)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paja Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Thanks to your comparison I think it's safe to conclude it's the same person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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