Soviet Order of the Red Star and OGPW 2nd

[Hauptmann]

Hi all,

Finally getting back into posting. Here's one of my Orders of the Red Star and one of my 2nd OGPW's. I have two RS's and several OGPW's but these are the ones I was told are WWII.

Forgot to add this first time around but here they are:

Order GPW 2nd (907,735)

Order Red Star (1,655,214)

Anyhow here goes:

Edited April 13, 2006 by Hauptman

[Hauptmann]

[Hauptmann]

Keeping my fingers crossed.

Dan

[Dolf]

Dan,

According to Shishkov & Muzalevsky, your OGPW should be their 3h variation, apparently made heavier than other so called "Khruschyovka".

According to McDaniel it should be a Type 2, Flatback variation. McDaniel states on the Guide that these exist with a small mint mark (located below the screw and above the S/N) or with no mint mark. Apparently yours of this kind, no mint mark, right? What is the S/N of yours? I'm not 100% sure with this pic! 907735 or 967735 ?

According to Shishkov & Muzalevsky, S/N 911443 is from 1956! But he lists S/Ns between 276978 to 733913 as being from 1945. And between 45 and 56, nothing is listed!

As for the ORS, this is a Type 2.

I'm not sure about the S/N! Is it 1555316 ?

Anyway, it should date from 1945, as Shishkov & Muzalevsky list S/Ns 1003749-2860000 from 1945.

This matches what is said by McDaniel on the Guide.

Yours seem to have a large mint mark, which is one of the variations.

Hope it helps,

Dolf

Edited April 13, 2006 by Dolf

[Hauptmann]

Hi Dolf,

Many many apologies! I had intended to type in the serial numbers as I know they're never clear enough in my pics. I kept getting side tracked in all this and it just slipped my mind. But here they are:

Order GPW 2nd (907,735)

Order Red Star (1,655,214)

Hope this helps to narrow things down a bit.

Sorry about that!

Thanks!

Dan

[Hauptmann]

Dan,

According to Shishkov & Muzalevsky, your OGPW should be their 3h variation, apparently made heavier than other so called "Khruschyovka".

According to McDaniel it should be a Type 2, Flatback variation. McDaniel states on the Guide that these exist with a small mint mark (located below the screw and above the S/N) or with no mint mark. Apparently yours of this kind, no mint mark, right? What is the S/N of yours? I'm not 100% sure with this pic! 907735 or 967735 ?

According to Shishkov & Muzalevsky, S/N 911443 is from 1956! But he lists S/Ns between 276978 to 733913 as being from 1945. And between 45 and 56, nothing is listed!

Dolf

On the OGPW... I just checked as it's nigh on impossible to see in the pic... and yes, there is a smaller sized mint mark/name between the screw post and the serial number. The mint mark/name looks like that on the back of the Red Star... just much smaller.

Again hope this helps to narrow it down a bit.

Thanks again,

Dan

Edited April 13, 2006 by Hauptman

[Dolf]

Dan,

Thanks for claryfying the S/Ns.

Anyway I guess that doesn't change what I said before about the possible dates, as the #s still match the info I have.

Maybe some other member can give more precise details. Or you should perhaps have a look at the Mondvor site, maybe they have more detailed info.

On this site here (hope it's ok to post the link!) you'll find a lot of info as well:

http://www.soviet-screwbacks.com/

Hope it helps,

Dolf

[Hauptmann]

Dan,

Thanks for claryfying the S/Ns.

Anyway I guess that doesn't change what I said before about the possible dates, as the #s still match the info I have.

Maybe some other member can give more precise details. Or you should perhaps have a look at the Mondvor site, maybe they have more detailed info.

On this site here (hope it's ok to post the link!) you'll find a lot of info as well:

http://www.soviet-screwbacks.com/

Hope it helps,

Dolf

Thanks Dolf. And I didn't know about that site so double triple thanks on that one! Methinks I've got some reading to do. All I need now is a tad more free time!

Thanks,

Dan