Dear Sirs, I need your help. About Württemberg 1889

[1812 Overture]

A few days ago, I won this medal through an auction. In 1889, the 25th anniversary of the Carling of the Kingdom of Württemberg was commemorated. But I got it (actually a friend who came to school in Canada to help me buy it). On the picture he took me, I didn't find the abbreviation of the designer's name under the frontal character, and the capital letter "L" is different from the others. . Maybe there will be other production versions? I am a little sad now. I hope that gentlemen can give me some good news. Because I don't think there is a need for fakes on this medal. . .

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I am anxiously waiting for everyone to reply. Thank you

[VtwinVince]

Can you show us the reverse?

[saschaw]

While I think literally everything is faked nowadays, I like the look of this medal. The provided pictures, however, could be somewhat better.

 

As I have never seen (or noticed) another than the standard type of this medal, I checked in Ulrich Klein's and Albert Raff's 2010 book "Die Württembergischen Medaillen von 1864 – 1933 (einschließlich der Orden und Ehrenzeichen)", where this medal is covered on p. 76-79.

 

And indeed, they describe and show a contemporary "wearers copy", probably struck by private Stuttgart firm Mayer & Wilhelm, that seems to be same as yours.

Good find, that's a really uncommon and seldom seen variation!

 

Edited April 20, 2023 by saschaw

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On 11/08/2019 at 03:32, saschaw said:

While I think literally everything is faked nowadays, I like the look of this medal. The provided pictures, however, could be somewhat better.

As I have never seen (or noticed) another than the standard type of this medal, I checked in Ulrich Klein's and Albert Raff's 2010 book "Die Württembergischen Medaillen von 1864 – 1933 (einschließlich der Orden und Ehrenzeichen)", where this medal is covered on p. 76-79.

And indeed, they describe and show a contemporary "wearers copy", probably struck by private Stuttgart firm Meyer & Wilhelm, that seems to be same as yours.

Good find, that's a really uncommon and seldom seen variation!

Thank you for your enthusiastic answer to my question, sir. I estimate that I will receive my medal in a week and wait for me to receive a photo for you to see. PS, I really like the Grand Duchy of Baden. Are you from there?

[saschaw]

On 12/08/2019 at 11:27, 1812 Overture said:

PS, I really like the Grand Duchy of Baden. Are you from there?

Thanks for the kind words! I was born, raised and am still located in Karlsruhe, its former capital, where I'm collecting orders and decorations of all eras of the Baden state... 

 

 

Edited April 20, 2023 by saschaw

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19 hours ago, saschaw said:

Thanks for the kind words! I was born, raised and am still located in Karlsruhe, it's former capital, where I'm collecting orders and decorations of all eras of the Baden state... 



really? I also like Baden, I like Friedrich's beard. . But for the Baden medal, I have always had a deep question, why the hanging ring on Baden's medal is a trapezoid like the Italian medal, and the rest of Germany is round. I have not figured out this issue for many years. Baden is not close to Italy

such as:

 

[saschaw]

On 13/08/2019 at 11:17, 1812 Overture said:

But for the Baden medal, I have always had a deep question, why the hanging ring on Baden's medal is a trapezoid like the Italian medal, and the rest of Germany is round. I have not figured out this issue for many years. Baden is not close to Italy 

That's a good question worth a thread for it's own, but I won't have a definite answer. It just seems that was their custom: All but two Baden award medals from the monarchy have it, from earliest 1800s to 1918. Only exceptions that come to mind are the earliest civil merit medal that started in the ca. 1770s, and the 1902 reign jubilee medal that was awarded to foreigners (non-Badeners) in larger numbers.

 

By the way, it was not only Italy to use this type of suspension. Several German states had medals mounted that way in the early 1800s, like Nassau, Frankfurt, Sachsen-Saalfeld and Sachsen-Hildburghausen, but most of them disappeared. Sachsen-Coburg und -Gotha is another state that had merit medals made like this until 1918.

 

Edited April 20, 2023 by saschaw