Unknown Badge, Milk Cow Type XIV / Monsun?

[Duikboot]

A German gentleman who recently sold it to me said that he himself got it many
years ago, along with a cap badge from U-168 (Monsun-boat), from a
household. To my knowledge there were only ten Type XIV U-Boats built in total
but I could only find the "conning tower" emblems of 9 of them in Georg Hogel's book -
the remaining one, U-464, is not incorporated into his book.

U-459, commissioned 15 November 1941, scuttled 24 July 1943
U-460, commissioned 24 December 1941, sunk 4 October 1943
U-461, commissioned 30 January 1942, sunk 30 July 1943
U-462, commissioned 5 March 1942, sunk 30 July 1943
U-463, commissioned 2 April 1942, sunk 15 May 1943
U-464, commissioned 30 April 1942, scuttled 20 August 1942
U-487, commissioned 21 December 1942, sunk 13 July 1943
U-488, commissioned 1 February 1943, sunk 26 April 1944
U-489, commissioned 8 March 1943, sunk 4 August 1943
U-490, commissioned 27 March 1943, sunk 12 June 1944

So I figured maybe it could have belonged to the crew of U-464. Or were perhaps
supply surface ships (versorgers) also called Milk Cow or Sea Cow? Your help is much
appreciated.

[Matthew Macleod]

Here's  a pic of a 464. Not very good but it looks like you might have the right boat for the badge above.

[Duikboot]

On 06/01/2020 at 04:59, Matthew Macleod said:

 

 

Matthew, thank you for the U-464 image. I didn't even know it existed. Yes, definitely an emblem there and that's interesting enough in itself, but with the best will in the world I can't see much resemblance with the badge. Maybe other pictures of this emblem still remain and provide a definitive answer one day. 

[hucks216]

Unfortunately the book that covers these boats in detail 'Die Versorger der „Grauen Wölfe“
Einsatz und Schicksal der deutschen U-Tanker 1941-44' (Luftfahrtverlag-Start) doesn't shed any light on U-464's use of an emblem. It just states that up to now no emblem has been verified.

[Duikboot]

On 08/01/2020 at 17:28, hucks216 said:

It just states that up to now no emblem has been verified.

A genuine cul-de-sac then, I'm afraid. Thank you too, Hucks.

[Duikboot]

Meanwhile I found an "up to 2005" addendum to Georg Hogel's "U-Boat Emblems..." https://www.forum-marinearchiv.de/smf/index.php?topic=15152.0 which embraces the possibility that it was U-464.

 

[Matthew Macleod]

I believe you're right

[Duikboot]

 VS.          I do and do not see the comparison. CAS

[JiL]

Hi together,

 

I do have one of these badges. It is from my grandfather. He served in Java, Indonesia. I know that he took part in supplying U-Boats. But he was not an U-Boat-man. His ship was was destroyed an sank and he was rescued from an U-Boat, which they should supply. Unfortunately my grandfather died 20 years ago. So I can not ask him anymore. It could be from the a supply ship or from a U-boat.

 

JL

[JiL]

Hi together,

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I do have one of these badges. It is from my grandfather. He served in Java, Indonesia. I know that he took part in supplying U-Boats. But he was not an U-Boat-man. His ship was was destroyed an sank and he was rescued from an U-Boat, which they should supply. Unfortunately my grandfather died 20 years ago. So I can not ask him anymore. It could be from the a supply ship or from a U-boat.

 

JL