Steady Eddie: What are his gongs?

[filfoster]

Using Great Dane's conjecture, it's:

 

1. Order of the Bath

2. Order of the Star of India

3. Order of St George and St. Michael

4. Victorian Order

5. Order of the Indian Empire

6. Order of St. Vladimir

7. Order of Dannebrog (silver merit cross)

8. Order of the Redeemer

9. ?

10. Austrian 'Marianerkreuz'

11. Hessian Order of Philip the Magnanimous

12. Saxe-Ernestine House Order

13. 2nd Empire Medaille Militaire

14. French Red Cross 1870-1871

 

So...the trick is #9   Are the points on the cross arms 'beveled', not sharp? That would narrow it down.

Edited August 26, 2021 by filfoster

[Great Dane]

I actually think that no. 9 is the Prussian Order of the Crown (4th class with red cross device).

[filfoster]

Do you have a photo or illustration of that decoration? I know what the 'ordinary' Crown order 4th looks like...

 

Edited August 26, 2021 by filfoster

[Great Dane]

This site shows one (second photo) with the red cross on the upper cross arm:

Order of the Crown (Prussia) | Military Wiki | Fandom (wikia.org)

 

In the above photo it is on the 3rd class order. I can't tell if this specific one is original, but it will give you an idea of what it looks like...

Edited August 26, 2021 by Great Dane

[Alex K]

Just for interest his french medal militaire from the royal collection attributed to edward vii

[filfoster]

Thanks for the photos...The Prussian Crown 3rd with the Red Cross will be a tough one to find as a replica copy, let alone an original.

[jimn]

If his Medalile Militare is pre 1870 is it for a state visit of his mother to France in 1855 or 1868?

I thought later but if it is attributed to him in the Royal Collection then I stand corrected...\

This is a very interesting subject and because it is royalty we must not expect normal regulations will apply.

[Alex K]

4 hours ago, jimn said:

If his Medalile Militare is pre 1870 is it for a state visit of his mother to France in 1855 or 1868?

I thought later but if it is attributed to him in the Royal Collection then I stand corrected...\

This is a very interesting subject and because it is royalty we must not expect normal regulations will apply.

Hi its definately his from the royal collection with attribution, no indication as to why he received it to my knowledge

[filfoster]

I accept this medal as one on his medal bar pictured above. Its place on the bar, ahead of the French Red Cross decoration makes sense.

[jimn]

The Imperial version of the Medaille Militaire is certainly a very attractive decoration. I agree he wore the Imperial version. We need clearer pictures I am searching as well.  Eddie seems to have had many versions of his medal bar!!!  

I saw a "short" one .worn as KIng  with only British awards.

Bath/Star of India/St Michael and St George/Indian Empire/Victorian Order/1887 Jubilee with 1897 clasp/Volunteer Decoration/Imperial Service Order.  Court mounted British style. Which is the correct order of wear from 1904.

[jimn]

Hello again

I was wondering if access to Drebetts and Burke's Peerage (in this period) would provide any information about Eddies awards esp foreign?  Just a thought .

[Alex K]

12 hours ago, jimn said:

The Imperial version of the Medaille Militaire is certainly a very attractive decoration. I agree he wore the Imperial version. We need clearer pictures I am searching as well.  Eddie seems to have had many versions of his medal bar!!!  

I saw a "short" one .worn as KIng  with only British awards.

Bath/Star of India/St Michael and St George/Indian Empire/Victorian Order/1887 Jubilee with 1897 clasp/Volunteer Decoration/Imperial Service Order.  Court mounted British style. Which is the correct order of wear from 1904.

Yes as king he tended to wear bars composed of mainly or exclusively british, his son King George v also wore bars with foreign (german) awards, but those also disappeared with the start of ww1 (understandibly i suppose) 

Edited August 29, 2021 by Alex K

[Alex K]

One final go, found this on the the royal collections trust site, looks to be a bit clearer, all should be recognisable 

Edited August 29, 2021 by Alex K

[Great Dane]

Great photo!

Now I'm not so sure about that 3rd from last being the SEHO...

[Alex K]

Same bar, different photo, i think it is s seho 

It appears to have a special monogram on the upper arm similar to the e grand cross, collar, credit rct, this grand cross is with swords

Edited August 29, 2021 by Alex K

[jimn]

Thanks for that..great photo...NOW I can see  the Imperial Eagle on the MM..you guys were right. I had assumed it "must " have been a Republican issue.  Now his German awards......

[filfoster]

Is his Prussian crown a 4th or 3rd class ?   

[Great Dane]

According to Wikipedia it's 3rd class (not that Wikipedia is necessarily always correct...)

[filfoster]

On 31/08/2021 at 09:16, Great Dane said:

According to Wikipedia it's 3rd class (not that Wikipedia is necessarily always correct...)

That looks more like a 3rd class in the photo.

[filfoster]

OK, so now it's:

 

1. Order of the Bath

2. Order of the Star of India

3. Order of St George and St. Michael

4. Victorian Order

5. Order of the Indian Empire

6. Order of St. Vladimir

7. Order of Dannebrog (silver merit cross)

8. Order of the Redeemer

9. Prussian Order of the Crown 3rd Class

10. Austrian 'Marianerkreuz'

11. Hessian Order of Philip the Magnanimous

12. Saxe-Ernestine House Order

13. 2nd Empire Medaille Militaire

14. French Red Cross 1870-1871

[jimn]

Eddie keeps changing uniforms and medal bars on us!!  

[Alex K]

On 30/09/2021 at 18:46, filfoster said:

OK, so now it's:

 

1. Order of the Bath

2. Order of the Star of India

3. Order of St George and St. Michael

4. Victorian Order

5. Order of the Indian Empire

6. Order of St. Vladimir

7. Order of Dannebrog (silver merit cross)

8. Order of the Redeemer

9. Prussian Order of the Crown 3rd Class

10. Austrian 'Marianerkreuz'

11. Hessian Order of Philip the Magnanimous

12. Saxe-Ernestine House Order

13. 2nd Empire Medaille Militaire

14. French Red Cross 1870-1871

This about right (for the medal bar in question) i would say but as jimn said, different day, different set-up! 

Edited October 1, 2021 by Alex K

[filfoster]

I just noticed that the mounting of these medals is in the 'Prussian' style, not the later British Court mounting style. Am I correct?

[Alex K]

2 hours ago, filfoster said:

I just noticed that the mounting of these medals is in the 'Prussian' style, not the later British Court mounting style. Am I correct?

Yes, still very much sticking to their german roots at that time, his son, george v had medal bars mounted prussian style, until at least ww1

Edited October 19, 2021 by Alex K

[filfoster]

Alex K: Thanks!  I am recreating this medal bar (not easy or cheap, even with the available repros...No one makes a knight's badge Hesse Philip the Magnanimous or monogamous or whatever), so this is an important detail.  I do have a repro post WW1 George V bar in the court style, so this will be nice contrast. 

 

When did the 'court mounting' style begin for English medal mounting?