Thoughts on medal bar ?

[scottplen]

Saw this for sale . 
loose Austrian MM cross and honor cross .

missing a LS award . I assume navy ?

[scottplen]

Took a chance and seems good homemade 

frack bar .last  three medals came with it including reserve LS . I pinned them on  you can see where they were due to thread and fading .also see how he made honor cross fit at end .Also had a u boat stick pin and shooting award . I assume they go with bar?’

 

I thought it was a unusual group ? Navy ?

Edited March 29, 2022 by scottplen

[Flávio P.Z.Peixoto]

I could be wrong, but it is said that the Schaumburg-Lippe Cross was awarded only to its native battalions, specifically the 2nd Curhessian Hussar Regiment No.14, the Westphalian Jäger Battalion No.7 and the Rhineland Hussar Regiment No.7, which excludes the navy.

https://www.ehrenzeichen-orden.de/deutsche-staaten/kreuz-fur-treue-dienste-1914.html

[scottplen]

Ok thanks good to know . I came as a lot so trying to figure things out ?

[Flávio P.Z.Peixoto]

the shooting medal is possibly from the same veteran, the pin was probably added by someone.

[VtwinVince]

Can you post some images of the u-boat stickpin?

[scottplen]

[VtwinVince]

I'm digging that stickpin.

[Dave Danner]

On 29/03/2022 at 16:58, Flávio P.Z.Peixoto said:

I could be wrong, but it is said that the Schaumburg-Lippe Cross was awarded only to its native battalions, specifically the 2nd Curhessian Hussar Regiment No.14, the Westphalian Jäger Battalion No.7 and the Rhineland Hussar Regiment No.7, which excludes the navy.

https://www.ehrenzeichen-orden.de/deutsche-staaten/kreuz-fur-treue-dienste-1914.html

 

I have no idea what the source is for that claim on that website, but it is false. While the majority of awards of the Kreuz für treue Dienste 1914 (SLK) were to units which had a direct connection to Schaumburg-Lippe, there was no limitation to only these units.

 

Also, neither Husaren-Regiment Nr. 7 nor Husaren-Regiment Nr. 14 were "native" to Schaumburg-Lippe. They were high on the list of awards of the SLK because Adolf II Fürst zu Schaumburg-Lippe was à la suite to HR 7 and was the commanding officer of HR 14.

 

The largest numbers of SLK awards were to Jäger-Bataillon Nr. 7 and its daughter formations (RJB 7, RJB 20 and Reserve-Radfahr-Kompanie Nr. 77), followed by Minden-based Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 15 and its daughter formations (RIR 15, LIR 15 and Brigade-Ersatz-Bataillon Nr. 26). Next came HR 14 and HR 7. Next in total number of awards was Minden-based Feldartillerie-Regiment Nr. 58 and its daughter formation, Reserve-Feldartillerie-Regiment Nr. 14. Other units which received multiple awards of the SLK include IR 53, LdstIR 19, 2.GUR, 1.GDR, 2.GDR, RFAR 6, KR 4, LKR 1, UR 3, PB 10, DR 5 and Flieger-Abteilung Nr. 22.

 

There were 17 awards to navy officers, 37 to Bavarian officers, 50 to Saxon officers, 22 to Württemberg officers, 61 to Austro-Hungarian officers, 8 to Ottoman officers, 1 to a Bulgarian officer and 15 to civilians/civil servants. These numbers don't include awards to princes, most of whom were not in Prussian Army units. For example, Prinz Friedrich zu Schaumburg-Lippe was an Austro-Hungarian Generalmajor and Prinz Albrecht zu Schaumburg-Lippe was an Austro-Hungarian Oberstleutnant.

[Flávio P.Z.Peixoto]

I thought it could be a lie, because it certainly has many more medals than just for these three battalions, but I've seen many sellers and other medal sites passing this information and I took it as true.

[scottplen]

9 hours ago, Dave Danner said:

 

I have no idea what the source is for that claim on that website, but it is false. While the majority of awards of the Kreuz für treue Dienste 1914 (SLK) were to units which had a direct connection to Schaumburg-Lippe, there was no limitation to only these units.

 

Also, neither Husaren-Regiment Nr. 7 nor Husaren-Regiment Nr. 14 were "native" to Schaumburg-Lippe. They were high on the list of awards of the SLK because Adolf II Fürst zu Schaumburg-Lippe was à la suite to HR 7 and was the commanding officer of HR 14.

 

The largest numbers of SLK awards were to Jäger-Bataillon Nr. 7 and its daughter formations (RJB 7, RJB 20 and Reserve-Radfahr-Kompanie Nr. 77), followed by Minden-based Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 15 and its daughter formations (RIR 15, LIR 15 and Brigade-Ersatz-Bataillon Nr. 26). Next came HR 14 and HR 7. Next in total number of awards was Minden-based Feldartillerie-Regiment Nr. 58 and its daughter formation, Reserve-Feldartillerie-Regiment Nr. 14. Other units which received multiple awards of the SLK include IR 53, LdstIR 19, 2.GUR, 1.GDR, 2.GDR, RFAR 6, KR 4, LKR 1, UR 3, PB 10, DR 5 and Flieger-Abteilung Nr. 22.

 

There were 17 awards to navy officers, 37 to Bavarian officers, 50 to Saxon officers, 22 to Württemberg officers, 61 to Austro-Hungarian officers, 8 to Ottoman officers, 1 to a Bulgarian officer and 15 to civilians/civil servants. These numbers don't include awards to princes, most of whom were not in Prussian Army units. For example, Prinz Friedrich zu Schaumburg-Lippe was an Austro-Hungarian Generalmajor and Prinz Albrecht zu Schaumburg-Lippe was an Austro-Hungarian Oberstleutnant.

Thanks for info ! How many total awards ?

[Dave Danner]

• 36 to Mitglieder regierender Häuser, of whom 18 also had the Steckkreuz.

• 2171 to "Offiziere und diesen gleichstehende Personen" (which includes Feldwebelleutnants and Offizier-Stellvertreter), of whom 2 also had the Steckkreuz.

• approximately 7900 to "Unteroffiziere und Mannschaften" (the actual number is unclear; the roll ends at Nr. 7942, but several laufende Nummer are duplicated while several other rows are empty)

• 281 "am weißen Bande", with most of these being civilians/civil servants.

 

There are also a few questionable cases. I know of three officers who are not on the roll, but are shown with the SLK in other official sources (Wehrmacht personnel files, unit Kriegsranglisten).

 

There were also a number of Leutnants who received the award as Unteroffiziere or Mannschaften, so they are not in the officer roll.

 

Regarding Wunderlich from the other thread, he received the SLK on 27.11.1915 as Wachoffizier on "U 16".

[scottplen]

I guess this bar is too common to get a name ?