IR61 Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 Hi Gentlemen. Ist here a kind soul who can help me? Are these original? The first Dueppler cross i am 95% sure are original but the other two? The second dueppeler cross is made of different metal, and the motiv isent the same as the first one… Happy for all answers. Tommy Back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 Can you post close-ups of the suspension systems? These are now being faked in large numbers, so you should exercise caution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IR61 Posted April 5, 2023 Author Share Posted April 5, 2023 Hi! Yes i noticed that you can now find these crosses in large numbers on the ebay. Collecting anything now is a minefield, Hope these pics helps? Alsen Duppel nr2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 Judging from these shots they all look good, unless the fakers are now adept at copying the details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IR61 Posted April 8, 2023 Author Share Posted April 8, 2023 Hi. Thanks VtwinVince for your replay. Someone with an other opinion? Do somebody know if these was made of several makers or only one? Tommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Dane Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 (edited) Well, I'm afraid of stating the obvious, but the middle one is not a Düppel cross, but an Alsen cros (same war, different battle). OK, I see the subject line was changed, so you already know that Edited April 8, 2023 by Great Dane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 There were many variants, so-called Spangenstuecke, produced. Award pieces have the ribbed suspension loop at the upper cross arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 It's quite unsettling how difficult it became to judge such relatively common and not extremely expensive awards from mediocre pictures only! The Alsen cross, I'm sure, is a modern fake as to be found on ebay. I'm not sure regarding the two Düppel onslaught crosses, which means they could or could not be real... sigh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IR61 Posted April 16, 2023 Author Share Posted April 16, 2023 Hello! Okay, so the Alsen cross is crap…. Wrong details, wrong material? Please do explain. I think one of the Duppel crosses are fake, i will try to show in a picture tomorrow. Kind regards Tommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 On 16/04/2023 at 20:33, IR61 said: Wrong details, wrong material? Please do explain. Most striking is the unusual patina, which seems artificially applied. The fake ribbon doesn't add to it. I have hardly ever seen such signs of aging on an authentic cross, but then, literally every Alsenkreuz sold by certain infamous ebay sellers addressed here has this odd feature. Check their ebay feedback to see how many they sold just within the past few months! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IR61 Posted April 18, 2023 Author Share Posted April 18, 2023 Hello! now i have tried to examin the Duppler crosses. I belive the one to the left is original, it has sharper details and the material its made of seems to be of much higher quality and it has the ”extra soldering” where the ring is conected to the cross itself. I have seen it on the 1866 crosses. But the cross to the right is made of some other metal, its surface is very grainy and the left arm has som pitts in it and the upper arm is not straight its oblique. I hope somebody understands what iam trying to say…. Tommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 I do understand what you're saying, and I tend to agree. Sorry, man! Two fakes out of three crosses is disappointing. One thing though, regarding the "sharp details": Please keep in mind these were struck from a relatively soft alloy with a high rate of tin, and when heavily polished, lose much of that sharpness. Still, their surface should never look grainy, of course... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 I agree, and it's very disappointing that the fakery has so convincingly seeped into what used to be relatively 'stable ground' in the collecting community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IR61 Posted April 20, 2023 Author Share Posted April 20, 2023 Hi. Yes its not fun that two of three are crap, BUT i have to se it in a positiv way one of three was original, could have been worse! And yes i realy hate this fakers that ruins a nice hobby. Now i need to find an original Alsenkreuz! Tommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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