NCO St. Henry Ribbon Bar

[Stogieman]

Picked this one up, nice condition. Not possible to ID, but still a nice bar

[VtwinVince]

Interesting, is that a peacetime/wartime double FA Medal combo?

[Stogieman]

Correct, an interesting combination and I couldn’t argue with the condition 

[VtwinVince]

Thanks, need to get my eyes checked. A really nice Feldschnalle.

[chuck]

what is the last ribbon?

 

Regards,

Chuck 

[VtwinVince]

Looks like a Tirol Medal at the end.

[saschaw]

I hate to be that guy, but I'm not so sure this is a "nice" or "really nice" bar. With the increasing number of fakes around, I'm getting more and more suspicious, and it's well possible I'm too suspicious sometimes... but this one, I'd guess, initially came from infamous German ebay seller hagekna41 who has been addressed several times in the past years...

 

 

 

15 minutes ago, chuck said:

what is the last ribbon?

That's for the Austrian post-WW1 "Erinnerungsmedaille für die Landesverteidigung von Tirol 1914-1918" or, in short, "Tiroler Landesdenkmünze 1914-1918". See Borna Barac's "Reference Catalogue Orders, Medals and Decorations of the World instituted until 1945. Part I – Iron Book, A – D.", p. 82.

 

[Stogieman]

Hi Saschaw, I appreciate your input and experience but I will respectfully disagree.

Copper mounting bar, cloth ribbons and no UV reactivity. Looks, feels and smells right.

i agree, it’s become a real minefield out there but to me, the bar is legit. Thanks 

[Stogieman]

Okay, appreciate all the input, everyone makes mistakes, thankfully this wasn’t an expensive one

[saschaw]

19 hours ago, Simius Rex said:

Hagekna41, however, had one shortcoming... he constantly struggled with getting the order of precedence right, even though it was apparent (to me, at least) that he was trying his best to get it right.  The fact is, he rarely got it right. 

I'm glad we seem to find common ground here, but still have to touch upon a problem: I'm not buying into the precedence argument. From what I have seen over the years, ribbon and medal bar makers (not all, but way too many!) did not know or did not care, and mistakes were a common thing. You might enjoy (or hate!) reading this classical GMIC thread...

 

 

[saschaw]

10 hours ago, Simius Rex said:

HOWEVER... you will never convince me (...) that a Traeger who places the St Henry ribbon first, thereby setting the "tone" for the whole bar, will then place a Prussian EK before a Friedrich August Medaille.

As said, I learned there is no rule without an exception, but we can agree it would be a lot(!) of work to find one authentic ribbon or medal bar demonstrating such a mess within a  Saxon's home state's bravery or war decorations - and it's certainly not worth the effort, just to prove a minor point in my argument.

 

 

Edited April 18, 2023 by saschaw

[VtwinVince]

I agree with Sascha, I have a couple of my uncle's Feldschnalllen in which the precedence is outlandish to say the least.

[Stogieman]

The seller has agreed to accept the return. Thanks for all the help. We will see how this goes