Franz Joseph Prinz von Hohenzollern-Emden (1891–1964)

[Deutschritter]

On 14/03/2011 at 13:04, Chris Dale said:

 

 

 

I just wish the photo was a bit bigger/clearer...

 

Cheers

Chris

 

Hello Chris, I am quite sure the picture does not show von Müller. You have there a Leutnant zur See between 1914 and 1918. As Kapitän zur See Karl von Müller (Emden) was Oberleutnant zur See he only had the Zentenarmedaille. Your picture surely shows a young Hohenzollern-Prinz?!

[saschaw]

On 05/09/2021 at 00:49, Deutschritter said:

Your picture surely shows a young Hohenzollern-Prinz?!

Indeed... that must be Franz Joseph Prinz von Hohenzollern-Emden (1891–1964)!

[Deutschritter]

Here is what I have for Franz Joseph Maria Ludwig Anton Thassilo Prinz von Hohenzollern-Emden, but surely I am missing a few (was he a Johanniter, Ehren- or Rechtsritter???):

 

Hausorden der Treue, Großkreuz (BT)

Fürstlich Hohenzollernscher Hausorden, Ehrenkreuz II. Klasse

Stern von Rumänien, Großkreuz am 30. August 1907 (RumSt1) als Leutnant im Füsilier-Regiment „Fürst Karl-Anton von Hohenzollern“ (Hohenzollernsches) Nr. 40

Roter Adlerorden, I. Klasse mit Stern

Fürstlich Hohenzollernscher Hausorden, Ehrenkreuz I. Klasse mit Schwertern

... Schwerter zum Ehrenkreuz I. Klasse am 26. Januar 1920 mit Wirkung vom 19. Mai 1918

Königlicher Hausorden von Hohenzollern, verschiedene Stufen, zuletzt Großkomtur mit Collane (Ordenskette)

Eisernes Kreuz (1914), II. und I. Klasse

Militärverdienstorden (Bayern), IV. Klasse mit Schwertern

Albrechts-Orden, Ritterkreuz II. Klasse mit Schwertern

Marineverwundetenabzeichen (1918)

Hausorden der Rautenkrone, Bruststern

Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer

Kriegserinnerungsmedaille 1915/1918 mit Schwertern

Ungarische Kriegs-Erinnerungs-Medaille mit Schwertern

Wiederholungsspange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz II. und I. Klasse (1914)

Kriegsabzeichen für die Marineartillerie

 

 

[P.F.]

3 minutes ago, Deutschritter said:

Here is what I have for Franz Joseph Maria Ludwig Anton Thassilo Prinz von Hohenzollern-Emden, but surely I am missing a few (was he a Johanniter, Ehren- or Rechtsritter???):

 

 

He is wearing the Sovereign Military Order of Malta (Catholic Order).

[saschaw]

10 minutes ago, Deutschritter said:

(was he a Johanniter, Ehren- or Rechtsritter???):

Couldn't be, he was Roman Catholic! Only Protestant Nobility could become members of that branch. As P.F. said, that's a "Malteser".

 

10 minutes ago, Deutschritter said:

Fürstlich Hohenzollernscher Hausorden, Ehrenkreuz II. Klasse

Do you have any source for that, or was it assumed from a picture? I think it must rather be the "Prinzenkreuz", not a minor class meant for mere mortals.

 

Certainly an interesting career for Imperial German Royalty!

Edited January 13, 2022 by saschaw

[Deutschritter]

14 minutes ago, P.F. said:

 

He is wearing the Sovereign Military Order of Malta (Catholic Order).

Thank you, I didn't know Malteser wore neck orders that looked so much like Johanniter. Do you happen to know, if he was  Ehren- or Devotionsritter?

10 minutes ago, saschaw said:

Do you have any source for that, or was it assumed from a picture? I think it must rather be the "Prinzenkreuz", not a minor class meant for mere mortals.

Thank you, you must be right, I see, he had the HEK1 already in 1911! 

Edited January 13, 2022 by Deutschritter

[v.Perlet]

Hello Deutschritter,

 

Johanniter and Malteser Orden is essentially the same thing. The Malteserorden deriving of the Johanniter Orden after fleeing to Malta in 1520- something, from Rhodos.

The Malteser Orden is Roman Catholic

The Johanniter Orden since resurrected in 1852 by Prussia is protestant.

 

Since he belonged to the catholic branch of Hohenzollern it would be a Malteser Orden.

 

Preussische Rote Adler Orden 1. kl,

Fürstlich Hohenzollernscher Hausorden Ehrenkreuz 1. kl,

Grossherzoglich Badische Hausorden d. Treue,

Grosskreuz des Königlich Rumänische Stern von Rumänien,

EK-II,

EK-I,

Fürstlich Hohenzollernscher Hausorden Ehrenkreuz 1. kl mit Schwertern,

Preussische Dienstauszeichnung 9 Jahre.

Bruststern Sächsischen Königreich Hausorden d. Rautenkrone,

Bayerisches MVO 4. kl mit Schwertern,

Sächsisches Albrecht Ordens Ritterkreuz 2. kl mit Schwertern,

Ehrenkreuz des Weltkrieges 1914-1918 mit Schwertern,

1939 Spange zum 1914 EK-II,

1939 Spange zum 1914 EK-I,

Kriegsabzeichen für die Marineartillerie.

Ungarische Ehrenmedaille des Weltkrieges 1914-1918 mit Schwertern,

Bulgarische Ehrenmedaille des Weltkrieges 1914-1918 mit Schwertern,

 

The fellow was a Christmas tree ?

 

 

Some interesting photos of the chap;

https://antique-photos.com/ru/maingalleryap/kruiser-emden-prince-hohenzollern.html

 

 

Regards

v.Perlet

Edited January 14, 2022 by v.Perlet

[saschaw]

On 13/01/2022 at 19:03, Deutschritter said:

Thank you, I didn't know Malteser wore neck orders that looked so much like Johanniter. Do you happen to know, if he was  Ehren- or Devotionsritter?

Sorry, I have no idea. So far, I totally failed to understand the grades of this Catholic order of chivalry...

 

 

On 14/01/2022 at 09:08, v.Perlet said:

Preussische Dienstauszeichnung 9 Jahre.

Can't be. This one was for EM and NCOs, while "our" Hohenzollern prince, of course, was an officer!

 

Edited July 30, 2022 by saschaw

[saschaw]

I'd like to add two photos of "our" Franz Joseph Prinz von Hohenzollern-Emden that were sold recently on ebay, to be found here and here. Both were probably taken on the occasion of his wedding to Saxon Princess Maria Alix in 1921.