Mark M Posted May 7, 2006 Share Posted May 7, 2006 Last week Detlev offered a Saxon Medal bar that was mounted in an unothodox style. His description of the grouping was "EK2, Saxon Merit Order 2kl with swords, Albert Order 1 kl with swords and crown, Schaumberg-Lippe 2, HH and HK". Detlev has examined the bar thoroughly and has given his blessings as being 100% legit. All medals are original and the ribbons show proper wear and age on the fold lines. I am curious to see what others think of this bar. First up are the pictures posted by Detlev. [attachmentid=38225] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark M Posted May 7, 2006 Author Share Posted May 7, 2006 Close ups of the obverse Saxon orders.[attachmentid=38226] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark M Posted May 7, 2006 Author Share Posted May 7, 2006 Close up of the other awards.[attachmentid=38228] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark M Posted May 7, 2006 Author Share Posted May 7, 2006 Close up of the reverse lower edge mounting.[attachmentid=38229] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark M Posted May 7, 2006 Author Share Posted May 7, 2006 [attachmentid=38230] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark M Posted May 7, 2006 Author Share Posted May 7, 2006 Both Saxon orders are stamped S on the bottom of the crosses. The Albert Order is also marked Scharffenberg on the 9 o,clok arm and Dresden on the 3 o'clock arm.[attachmentid=38231] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark M Posted May 7, 2006 Author Share Posted May 7, 2006 Another unusal aspect of the cross is that on the reverse, diectly above the needle catch is sewn a reinforced loop similar to what was sewn on tunics for attaching pinback awards. No idea of what itis for. I look forward to hearing comments/speculation about this bar.[attachmentid=38232] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medalnet Posted May 7, 2006 Share Posted May 7, 2006 It does look like the ugly Hindenburg Cross was attached to an extention made to the bar in 1934. Not uncommon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted May 7, 2006 Share Posted May 7, 2006 The combination suggests someone who was already a Hauptmann when the war started, but who left circa 1920 without having reached the double time needed for an XXV Years Service Cross.It is also possible that the recipient was a wartime Hauptmann level officer in the Reserve or Landwehr, who did not hold an LD2 as of 1914 and so never got one.The officer can ONLY have held a rank equivalent to Captain during the war, and though very possibly retired out as a brevet Major, could not have HELD that rank during the war.So we are looking for a CAPTAIN among the 400 holders of the SV3aX, who received as a second award, a Crown to a previous SA3aX-- all three received as a Captain.Because of multiple demands upon my time, I have only had time to check Captains with names beginning from A through L:out of those, the only SV3aX/Crown to SA3aX recipients I have not been able to exclude, based on insufficient data, are:Hptm Walter Ba?etStabsarzt dR Dr Friedrich GrossmannandStabsarzt dR Dr Paul Jacobsthat is some indication of the limited pool of "suspects" for this combination. The names beginning from "M" on haven't been checked yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hunter Posted May 7, 2006 Share Posted May 7, 2006 Rick, in spite of what your 'other' twin says you can be quite amazing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 I have been through to the end of the letter "R" and can only NOT exclude one more from the M-to-R part of the alphabet:Stabsarzt Dr. Otto Meltzer.Inexplicably, Roth's coverage of medical officers is completely haphazard, with many regulars (like Meltzer) NOT listed, and many reservists (unlike regular officers) shown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JensF. Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 Because of items like this medal-bar I really love collecting Imperial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted May 15, 2006 Share Posted May 15, 2006 Well, any way you slice this, it's a pretty spectacular piece with the Merit Order 1.kl. I can count on one hand the number of those I have seen at all in the last 10 years! Detlev's original description stated it to be a 2.kl.Now....... has anybody deduced WHY Mark thinks the mounting unusual....... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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