Pre-WW1, 6 place medal bar, Please help!

[Philip.S]

Gentlemen,

 

Attached is a snippet of an image (taken sometime before 1905) , featuring a gentleman wearing a 6 place medal bar. This gentleman was born in Prussia, in 1840, if that is of any help. 

I have tried my best to decipher his bar, and I believe I have figured out many of them, but I would appreciate some help, as some I am clueless on some!

What I think it might be:

1~D?ppel cross?

2~Alsen cross?

3~1870-71 medal?

4~K?niggr?tz cross

5~Totally clueless on this one, though it could be the 1870-71 medal, but then 3 would be missing!

6~Kaiser centenary medal

 

That's all I can come up with.

 

And a close-up of the bar:

 

Thank you,

 

Philip.S

[dedehansen]

Hi Philip, I think that:

 

No. 3 Kriegsdenkmünze 1864

 

No. 5 Landwehrdienstauszeichnung

 

Kind regards

 

Andreas

[Philip.S]

dedehansen,

 

Many thanks, I had thought that he was a combatant in the Franco-Prussian war as well, but you prove my theory wrong! 

thank you for the information, It is greatly appreciated, Would it be possible to figure out which branch he was in? As he is in civilian dress, I have no idea!

 

Thank you !

 

Philip.S

 

 

 

[dedehansen]

Are there school boys on the photo?

 

If so, he could have been a school servant (Schuldiener).

 

Regards

 

Andreas

[saxcob]

1 hour ago, dedehansen said:

No. 5 Landwehrdienstauszeichnung

 

The Landwehrdienstauszeichnung was not introduced before 1913 as a (round) medal in order to replace the 1842 model badge.

 

45 minutes ago, Philip.S said:

I had thought that he was a combatant in the Franco-Prussian war as well, but you prove my theory wrong! 

 

Since the picture was taken before 1905 this should indeed be the KDM 1870/71.

 

The correct order would be:

 

1. Düppelkreuz
2. Alsenkreuz
3. Kriegsdenkmünze von 1870/71
4. Erinnerungskreuz von 1866
5. Kriegsdenkmünze für 1864

6. Centenarmedaille

Edited December 10, 2023 by saxcob

[Philip.S]

Andreas,

 

Interesting idea, but no, just family.

There are 2 other military men, only one is with his medals on this image (a 1870-71, and kaiser commemorative medal, attached)

 

I'm afraid I have minimal information on them.

 

Many thanks

 

Philip.S

20 minutes ago, dedehansen said:

Are there school boys on the photo?

 

If so, he could have been a school servant (Schuldiener).

saxcob,

 

many thanks for your information as well!

10 minutes ago, saxcob said:

1. Düppelkreuz
2. Alsenkreuz
3. Kriegsdenkmünze von 1870/71
4. Erinnerungskreuz von 1866
5. Kriegsdenkmünze für 1864

6. Centenarmedaille

To my knowledge, the ribbons on both the Alsen, and D?ppel crosses are wrong, no?

Somewhere, I have another image of the same gentleman, but with only 5 medals, although that image was taken in 1905, or just a bit later, but in significantly worse quality, which also features a gentleman who is also on the above photo (without medals), but this time with a hefty bar! perhaps just too lazy to wear it for the photo then!

 

Regards,

 

Philip.S

[Claudius]

 

Somewhere, I have another image of the same gentleman, but with only 5 medals, although that image was taken in 1905, or just a bit later, but in significantly worse quality, which also features a gentleman who is also on the above photo (without medals), but this time with a hefty bar! perhaps just too lazy to wear it for the photo then!

 

and it looks like this poor guy got a cannonball to the face.  😮

 

is there a reason you blotted out his face?  Are you protecting his identity if he’s spotted in public? 

[Philip.S]

Claudius,

 

On 19/06/2024 at 03:50, Claudius said:

 

 

is there a reason you blotted out his face?  Are you protecting his identity if he’s spotted in public? 

Sorry for the late reply, I heard it was an innovative method of camouflage for night attacks!

 

In all seriousness, though, i was told by the family member who owns this photo to do so.....I myself am not certain on the reason, but if that is their wish...🤷‍♂️

 

Regards,

 

Philip.S