Bob Posted July 22, 2006 Posted July 22, 2006 Anybody with a comprehensive overview of orders / medals types and serial numbers observed (and dates preferably!) and willing to share it?Would like to do a review of my collection vs. such a list and would obviously provide any feedback (low / high, dates, pics of types, etc.) if I see things not yet reflected.
Guest Darrell Posted July 22, 2006 Posted July 22, 2006 Anybody with a comprehensive overview of orders / medals types and serial numbers observed (and dates preferably!) and willing to share it?Would like to do a review of my collection vs. such a list and would obviously provide any feedback (low / high, dates, pics of types, etc.) if I see things not yet reflected.http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=7861
Bob Posted July 22, 2006 Author Posted July 22, 2006 http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=7861Ehmm wrong country?
Guest Darrell Posted July 22, 2006 Posted July 22, 2006 Ehmm wrong country? That's what happens when you get up early in the morning and surf the militaria sites before the brain kicks into gear Let me grab a coffee and snap out of it .... sorry Bob
Guest Rick Research Posted July 22, 2006 Posted July 22, 2006 And THAT'S six years of gathering information!!!! The overwhelming problems with doing the same for Mongolian are1) the almost total lack of numbered awards still with their dated award paperwork2) being able to READ Mongolian script in the older, sloppier handwritten versions3) the lack of dated award paperwork, period.4) Mongolian numbers seem to start over again every time a design changed, making award books WITHOUT the accompanying award almost useless since there is no "match" to an observable type. Like Soviet collecting in the "early days" of the beginning of the 1990s (how long ago that seems, now) the basic assumption of SELLERS seems to be that the BUYERS cannot read the paperwork anyway, so throw it away as "worthless." I think that, more than a desire to hide the fact that grandpa's wahatever was being sold, accounts for the lack of paperwork. I am happy to see Mongolian collecting has advanced beyond 1-of-every-type to interest in the SPECIFIC awards, and can only hope that the imminent opening of archives for recipient research that Ed has teased us with will result in a new Golden Age of information in which currently "loose" awards can be placed in context of time.
Bob Posted July 23, 2006 Author Posted July 23, 2006 Change the world and start with yourself So I've dived into my two shoeboxes full of Mongolian goodies and filtered out:- all awards with numbers on them- then only the ones for which I have the corresponding booklet- then only the ones where the booklet is clear / specific about the date (e.g. leaving out old Uigur script Polar stars where it's not 100% clear from the booklet what the award date is... or if it is even matching the actual Polar star)Added these all into 1 excel list: AWARD - NUMBER - DATE - TYPEAdded to this similar awards seen today on some of the well known dealers sites.Presto... a list of 25 items which makes it very quick to see patterns in awarding of orders / medals over time; enables you to easily guesstimate from what time period your undocumented award is; and may also help in future to spot "creatively adjusted" award booklets! There's not that many numbered / documented awards out there so this should not become a huge undertaking. Am now looking to substantially expand this - who else is willing to take the excel sheet over, spend 15 minutes or so to update it and send it back for me to coordinate sending on to the next person? Again, only for numbered awards where both the award AND the booklet are available (to ensure we can also be clear on the type... e.g. an Uigur vs. Cyrillic Medal of Labour). Will make the file available to all who participate of course.Who's willing and able? Drop me a PM.
Vatjan Posted July 23, 2006 Posted July 23, 2006 Bob,We had already started something like that Here.This list needs a little updating, but it will already give you a good idea. Jan
Bob Posted July 23, 2006 Author Posted July 23, 2006 Have combined now also with all quoted serial number / dates on this site. List is close to 170 entries now in easy excel format which provides easy way to "date" awards even if you do not have a document. Do also have "source" column in excel to enable easy access to right person for questions.Suggest creating a seperate "serial number / date checkin" thread ONLY for awards where both serial number and date are verifiably known. Could the administrator then possibly make it a sticky? AWARD NUMBER DATE TYPEDistinguished Co-Worker of the State Security Service 163 17/07/1944 D03aHero of Labour Gold Soyombo 1 1956 Hero of Labour Gold Soyombo 52 28/11/1962 Hero of Labour Gold Soyombo 250 1981 Honorious Medal of Labour 9,393 13/11/1956 Honorious Medal of Labour 10,660 17/10/1951 Uigur - Var 2 - separately. soldered loop, screwback, no ?No? on the reverseHonorious Medal of Labour 11,032 06/11/1956 Honorious Medal of Labour 16,235 26/06/1964 Uigur - Var 3 - screwback, loop part of medal, hand-engraved #Honorious Medal of Labour 16,573 15/07/1965 Uigiur - Var 3 - screwback, loop part of medal, hand-engraved #Honorious Medal of Labour 17,040 07/07/1966 Honorious Medal of Labour 23,159 04/08/1976 Honorious Medal of Labour 24,082 14/07/1960 Cyrillic - Var 2 - loop part of medal, pinback, rotating-tool engraved #Medal 40 Years of the MPR 15,955 15/09/1961 Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 854 26/09/1936 Var 1 - early suspension, seprately soldered loop, screwback, reverse has ?No?Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 1,288 16/09/1937 Cloth ribbon, soldered on ring NO in front of numberMedal for Meritorious Service in Battle 3,813 08/07/1937 Cloth ribbon, soldered on ringMedal for Meritorious Service in Battle 4,521 11/09/1953 Var 2 - early suspension, sep. sold. loop, screwback, no ?No? on the reverseMedal for Meritorious Service in Battle 5,228 24/07/1954 Medal for the Victory over Japan 3,443 06/07/1946 ThickMedal for Unselfishness 1,046 1990 Type 2, Var 1 - numbered / silverMedal of Friendship 4,086 1971 Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 1,049 01/10/1959 ?Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 1,552 29/09/1964 Screwback; 2 rivetsOrder for Meritorious Service in Battle 2,146 00/06/1969 ?Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 2,695 1972 ?Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 2,777 1971 ?Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 4,836 15/07/1985 Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 5,138 03/04/1986 Var 2 - screwback, dimple on reverse, 2 rivetsOrder for Meritorious Service in Battle 5,685 27/03/1987 ?Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 6,515 04/07/1991 ?Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 6,854 29/08/1995 Var 1 - 1970 - 2004, pinbackOrder for Meritorious Service in Battle 6,885 28/08/1995 Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 7,388 1995 1970 typeOrder for Meritorious Service in Battle 8,068 09/08/1999 Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 8,126 09/08/1999 ?Order of Combat Red Banner 5,348 09/08/1999 Var 2 - 2 rivets, serial at 5 o?clock, 1970 - 2004Order of Mother Heroine - 1st class 5,396 16/02/1965 Order of Mother Heroine - 1st class 8,128 01/03/1967 Order of Mother Heroine - 1st class 11,608 13/02/1970 Order of Mother Heroine - 1st class 16,062 21/02/1972 Type 1.2Order of Mother Heroine - 1st class 21,460 25/01/1975 Order of Mother Heroine - 1st class 24,179 20/02/1976 Order of Mother Heroine - 1st class 31,252 22/02/1978 Order of Mother Heroine - 1st class 33,062 17/02/1979 Order of Mother Heroine - 1st class 34,361 23/02/1980 Order of Mother Heroine - 1st class 43,883 00/03/1984 Order of Mother Heroine - 1st class 45,130 25/02/1981 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 543 29/05/1958 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 9,195 25/06/1958 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 13,892 10/10/1958 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 15,709 10/11/1958 Var 1 - screwback, hand-engravedOrder of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 23,451 25/02/1960 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 25,633 02/03/1961 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 29,451 25/02/1962 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 36,905 11/02/1964 Type 1.1Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 39,895 04/03/1964 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 61,823 08/02/1969 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 77,748 17/02/1972 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 77,962 17/02/1972 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 84,187 22/02/1973 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 116,403 00/00/1978 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 120,901 27/02/1980 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 130,167 29641 Type 1.2 (Screwback, Mongolian-made)Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 145,118 18/08/1985 Type 1.2Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 145,718 1985 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 187,862 22/05/1995 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 191,632 00/5/1997 Order of Polar Star 88 06/07/1936 T3V1 - 3 rivets, serial at 7-8 clock Screwback; CyrillicOrder of Polar Star 1,162 17/10/1951 Order of Polar Star 1,225 6/09/1944 Uigur - Screwback; МОНЕТНЫЙ ДВОР mintmark; Uighur; SN at ?Order of Polar Star 1,562 08/07/1937 Var 2 - 1940-1941, Uighur script, screwback, ?монетый двор?Order of Polar Star 1,956 29/11/1955 Order of Polar Star 2,265 3/11/1945 Uigur - Screwback; МОНЕТНЫЙ ДВОР mintmark; Uighur; SN at ?Order of Polar Star 2,506 30/12/1956 Screwback; CyrillicOrder of Polar Star 2,705 08/12/1948 Order of Polar Star 2,946 08/07/1950 Screwback; CyrillicOrder of Polar Star 3,079 16/01/1957 Screwback; CyrillicOrder of Polar Star 3,301 1956 1941 type, screwback, slightly concaveOrder of Polar Star 3,917 30/12/1956 Screwback; CyrillicOrder of Polar Star 4,832 06/11/1956 Order of Polar Star 4,948 08/12/1948 Order of Polar Star 6,133 16/02/1956 Screwback; CyrillicOrder of Polar Star 6,453 10/11/1956 Order of Polar Star 8,143 15/11/1958 Var 2 - 1941-1970, cyrillic script, flatback, number under screwpostOrder of Polar Star 9,013 14/12/1957 Screwback; CyrillicOrder of Polar Star 9,138 14/07/1960 Screwback; CyrillicOrder of Polar Star 10,358 25/08/1961 Var 3 - 1941-1970, cyrillic script, flatback, number at 6 o?clockOrder of Polar Star 11,611 00/03/1966 Screwback; CyrillicOrder of Polar Star 13,376 01/12/1969 Screwback; CyrillicOrder of Polar Star 14,236 03/07/1971 Screwback; CyrillicOrder of Polar Star 14,292 03/06/1971 Var 3 - 1941-1970, cyrillic script, flatback, number at 6 o?clockOrder of Polar Star 14,718 12/03/1973 Screwback; CyrillicOrder of Polar Star 15,860 03/07/1971 Type 4 (Pinback)Order of Polar Star 19,735 01/12/1979 Type 4 (Pinback)Order of Polar Star 25,483 03/04/1980 Type 4 (Pinback)Order of Polar Star 27,017 03/07/1991 Type 4 (Pinback)Order of Polar Star 28,321 18/04/1995 Type 4 (Pinback)Order of Polar Star 29,893 6-xx-2000 Var 1 - 1970 - 2003, Cyrillic script, pinback, silverOrder of Polar Star 31,529 21/11/2001 Type 4 (Pinback)Order of Polar Star 185/1804 1936 Type 1 (Screwback; МОНДВОР mintmark; long oval design)Order of Suche Baatar 1 1941 Order of Suche Baatar 24 1946 Order of Suche Baatar 31 1949 Order of Suche Baatar 158 1957 ScrewbackOrder of Suche Baatar 158 24/10/1957 Order of Suche Baatar 166 29/05/1957 Order of Suche Baatar 340 1961 Order of Suche Baatar 341 1961 Order of Suche Baatar 342 1961 Order of Suche Baatar 343 1961 Order of Suche Baatar 344 1961 Order of Suche Baatar 423 1962 ScrewbackOrder of Suche Baatar 423 28/11/1962 Order of Suche Baatar 470 13/12/1963 Order of Suche Baatar 541 1966 Order of Suche Baatar 542 1966 Order of Suche Baatar 558 1966 Order of Suche Baatar 586 1968 Order of Suche Baatar 588 1968 Order of Suche Baatar 589 1968 Order of Suche Baatar 591 1968 Order of Suche Baatar 612 10/11/1968 Order of Suche Baatar 642 12/08/1969 Order of Suche Baatar 692 1969 Order of Suche Baatar 803 05/07/1971 Order of Suche Baatar 919 1971 Order of Suche Baatar 922 1971 Order of Suche Baatar 923 1971 Order of Suche Baatar 924 1971 Order of Suche Baatar 925 1971 Order of Suche Baatar 927 1971 Order of Suche Baatar 928 1971 Order of Suche Baatar 931 1971 Order of Suche Baatar 932 1971 Order of Suche Baatar 933 1971 Order of Suche Baatar 937 1971 Order of Suche Baatar 989 1973 Order of Suche Baatar 1,123 1975 Order of Suche Baatar 1,255 14/12/1975 Order of Suche Baatar 1,335 1978 Order of Suche Baatar 1,404 22/10/1980 Order of Suche Baatar 1,462 08/06/1981 Order of Suche Baatar 1,463 1981 Order of Suche Baatar 1,465 1981 Order of Suche Baatar 1,491 09/07/1981 Order of Suche Baatar 1,530 1981 Order of Suche Baatar 1,532 1981 Order of Suche Baatar 1,548 1981 Order of Suche Baatar 1,562 1981 Order of Suche Baatar 1,715 1986 Order of the Red Banner of Labour 621 17/11/1951 Typ 1 screwbackOrder of the Red Banner of Labour 1,039 16/02/1956 Typ 1 screwbackOrder of the Red Banner of Labour 2,845 01/02/1960 Order of the Red Banner of Labour 3,744 24/11/1973 Var 1 - 1945 - 1970, screwbackOrder of the Red Banner of Labour 3,809 28/04/1980 Order of the Red Banner of Labour 5,826 00/00/1987 Typ 2 pinbackOrder of the Red Banner of Labour 6,238 15/04/1993 Typ 2 pinbackTitle of Merit 607 26/06/1981 Type 2.1 (numbered); Low = 0008, High = 789Virgin Lands 1,187 24/10/1979 enamelledVirgin Lands 1,300 1979 enamelledVirgin Lands 3,074 16/12/1982 painted
Bob Posted July 23, 2006 Author Posted July 23, 2006 Bob,We had already started something like that Here.This list needs a little updating, but it will already give you a good idea. JanAh yes - but I wanted to get it in 1 list in 1 thread:)If we all just post our updates in the following thread:http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=9917...amp;#entry95886Then I'll include it in excel sheet, sort nicely and then repost the full list every time there's been some substantial changes.What I've particularly noticed is the complete lack of award booklets for ORCB's...
Ed_Haynes Posted July 24, 2006 Posted July 24, 2006 I was going to update and post a new expanded list when I get back, but I see no reason to reinvent multiple redundant wheels. Shall make my list available, someway, eventually. Many changes will be there.
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