Herr General Posted September 7, 2006 Posted September 7, 2006 I would like to show you my small collection of Dutch Cart de Visite's with soldiers showing medals and decorations.CDV-1 Major General Jan Fran?ois Beckman 1815 - 1889Knight of the Order of the Lions of the NetherlandsOfficer's Long Service Decoration with numeral 'XL'CDV-2Unknown Lieutenant Atjeh-medal 1873-1874Cross for important war actions with clasp "Atjeh" 1873-1874Officer's Long Service Decoration with unknown numeral
Herr General Posted September 7, 2006 Author Posted September 7, 2006 CDV-3Unknown Captain of the KNIL in atillaMilitary order of William 4th ClassCDV-6Unknown Major GeneralKnight of the order of the Lion of the NetherlandsOfficer's Long Service Decoration with unknown numeralCDV-4 and CDV-5 will follow but are not yet researched.
Herr General Posted September 7, 2006 Author Posted September 7, 2006 CDV-4 Rank, type of soldier and medal not yet identifiedCDV-5 Rank, type of Soldier and medal not yet identified
Jacky Posted September 7, 2006 Posted September 7, 2006 Wonderfull pictures!!!Would like to see more, always more Isn't there a name or some hint at the back of the cart of the captain with the MWO??Kind regards,Jacky
Herr General Posted September 7, 2006 Author Posted September 7, 2006 Hi Jacky, unfortunately there is no info on the back. I have one more cdv that I will post when I get home,
Herr General Posted September 7, 2006 Author Posted September 7, 2006 (edited) CDV-7Unknown Lieutenant ( Same as CDV-2 )Atjeh-medal 1873-1874Cross for important war actions with clasp "Atjeh" 1873-1874Officer's Long Service Decoration with unknown numeral Edited September 7, 2006 by Herr General
Herr General Posted September 7, 2006 Author Posted September 7, 2006 (edited) Close up of CDV-7Numeral appears to be XV Edited September 7, 2006 by Herr General
Herr General Posted September 7, 2006 Author Posted September 7, 2006 Close-ups of CDV-5Appears to be an Military order of William ?His insignia, a horn, maybe from a Jager regiment?
Herr General Posted September 7, 2006 Author Posted September 7, 2006 (edited) Close up of CDV-4Not sure about these mini medals, the first one has a striped ribbon so for this time frame ( somewhere around 1850 - 1870 ) it could be the Metal Cross 1830-1831. Edited September 7, 2006 by Herr General
Herr General Posted September 8, 2006 Author Posted September 8, 2006 I have mailed CDV-4 and CDV-5 to a contact at the Bronbeek museum In order to receive more info about the uniforms!
Herr General Posted September 18, 2006 Author Posted September 18, 2006 CDV-4 is a Lieutenant Colonel from the KNIL somewhere around 1865. He is wearing a mamelukken sword.CDV-5 is a Captain serving with the KNIL Infantry.
Djedj Posted January 7, 2007 Posted January 7, 2007 Bonjour,Adding a newcomer in my collection - this CDV (late 1870s) is identified in the back as "Jonkheer van Vessem".I found some online reference to a "Jonkheer H.A.L. van Wessem", 1814-1891, who was "woonachtig op Bijdorp en voormalig ritmeester, ordonnansofficier van koning Willem 111 en intendant van de koninklijke paleizen te Amsterdam en Den Haag"- which I take means "originating from Bijdorp, a former Captain, Ordonnance Officer of king Willem III, and intendant of the royal palaces in Amsterdam and The Hague".Which matches perfectly with his unifom, rank and aiguillettes on the CDV :Now closing on his medal rack :Can anyone help in identifying them ?My best guess so far (thanks for confirming !) :HANGING FROM NECK :- Order of St. Stanislaus (Russia)- ?TOP ROW :- Huisorde van de Gouden Leeuw van Nassau, Ridder der 5e Classe- Orde van de Eikenkroon - Ridder- ?- ?BOTTOM ROW :- Metalen Kruis 1830-1831- ?- ?His quoted birth date (1814) make him a tad youngish for the "Metalen Kruis", but the medal really looks the part.Thanks for your help !Salutations,J?r?me
Herr General Posted January 7, 2007 Author Posted January 7, 2007 Hello Djed,I'm looking every where, every day for a nice dutch CDV without luck and you find this very nice example I will try to give you a list of the medals,Roel Rijks
Herr General Posted January 7, 2007 Author Posted January 7, 2007 (edited) HANGING FROM NECK :- Order of St. Stanislaus (Russia)- Order of the Fenix (Greek) Not sure about this oneTOP ROW :- Orde van de Nederlandse leeuw - Knight- Orde van de Eikenkroon - Ridder- Lombokkruis- HuisordeBOTTOM ROW :- Metalen Kruis 1830-1831- Order of Leopold II ( Belgium ) - Knight- Order of Christ ( Portugal )- Knight Edited January 7, 2007 by Herr General
Great Dane Posted January 7, 2007 Posted January 7, 2007 HANGING FROM NECK :- Order of St. Stanislaus (Russia)- Orden vom Weissen Falken (Sachsen)TOP ROW:Far right: Order of the Dannebrog, knight (Denmark)/Mike
Herr General Posted January 7, 2007 Author Posted January 7, 2007 I thougt the Dannebrog order also at first, but the cross looks more simpel. Like the Order of Christ from Portugal..
Great Dane Posted January 7, 2007 Posted January 7, 2007 I agree on the Order of Christ (Portugal). The Order of Dannebrog is the far right in the top row./Mike
Herr General Posted January 7, 2007 Author Posted January 7, 2007 (edited) I agree on the Order of Christ (Portugal). The Order of Dannebrog is the far right in the top row./MikeI think that the medal last in the top row is the Dutch Houseorder, ( also because of its possition between two dutch medals )No, I think your right! So that makes the first medal in the second row not Dutch ? Edited January 7, 2007 by Herr General
Great Dane Posted January 7, 2007 Posted January 7, 2007 I can even add that van Wessem received his knight cross of the Order of Dannebrog on 9. July 1866 I think that the first medal in the second row is Dutch (but I am no expert on that...), so maybe he was just a little 'sloppy' with his medals?/Mike
Djedj Posted January 7, 2007 Posted January 7, 2007 Merci beaucoup messieurs !That's great info - much appreciated Mmmh I'm wondering wether the Metalen Kruis being side by side with the Belgian Leopold Order would not have some special kind of meaning ?I can even add that van Wessem received his knight cross of the Order of Dannebrog on 9. July 1866 Stunning !Merci messieurs,J?r?me
Herr General Posted January 8, 2007 Author Posted January 8, 2007 I made a mistake, nr in the top row isn't the Dutch Lombokkruis, way to early! It is something foreign.
Great Dane Posted January 8, 2007 Posted January 8, 2007 Third one on top row definitely looks like the "Ordre du Merite Civil et Militaire d'Adolphe de Nassau" (Cross of Merit in silver or gold)./Mike
Great Dane Posted January 8, 2007 Posted January 8, 2007 (edited) Here is a picture of "Ordre du Merite Civil et Militaire d'Adolphe de Nassau" (Cross of Merit in gold):/Mike Edited January 8, 2007 by Great Dane
Jacky Posted January 8, 2007 Posted January 8, 2007 Hi Gents,A bit late, but uhm.... WellHANGING FROM NECK :- Order of St. Stanislaus - commander (Russia)- Order of the White Falcon - Commander (Saxon)TOP ROW :- Orde of the Dutch Lion - Knight- Orde of the oaken crown - knight- Order of Merit d'Adolphe d'Nassau - meritcross gold/silver- Order of the Danneborg - KnightBOTTOM ROW :- Metal Cross 1830-1831- Order of Leopold I ( Belgium ) - Knight- Order of Christ ( Portugal )- Knight I have to say that many things are hardly visible,however many ribbons are hard to see, the metal cross should have stripes on its ribbon, nowhere to see. Also does it come after all the other medals, thus it might be a foreign medal too based on it's precedence after the danish order.The order of leopold isn't leopold II but leopold I because of the enamel!!! Leopold II is just a lovely metal cross, whereas the leopold I has enemal all over the cross.Nice Card!!!!Kind regards,Jacky
ErikMuller Posted January 8, 2007 Posted January 8, 2007 (edited) Bonjour,Adding a newcomer in my collection - this CDV (late 1870s) is identified in the back as "Jonkheer van Vessem".I found some online reference to a "Jonkheer H.A.L. van Wessem", 1814-1891, who was "woonachtig op Bijdorp en voormalig ritmeester, ordonnansofficier van koning Willem 111 en intendant van de koninklijke paleizen te Amsterdam en Den Haag"- which I take means "originating from Bijdorp, a former Captain, Ordonnance Officer of king Willem III, and intendant of the royal palaces in Amsterdam and The Hague".Can anyone help in identifying them ?My best guess so far (thanks for confirming !) :Salutations,J?r?meJ?r?me, The correct spelling of his name is: Henricus Alexander Leopold van Vessem. He was born in Son on 28 November 1814, made Jonkheer (Baronet) by Royal Decree of 19 March 1886, No. 13, and died in Rijsenburg (House Bijdorp) on 25 April 1891.His duties with the royal family included: adjunct-intendant of the Royal Palaces, sub-intendant of the Palace of Amsterdam, intendant of the Palace of The Hague and of the House Du Bois (12 May 1878).The first Order of the upper row is the Knight 5th class of the House Order of the Golden Lion of Nassau and NOT the Order of the Netherlands Lion. He was awarded this by Royal Decree of 15 May 1876. On 23 January 1888 he was promoted to a Knight 2nd class in this Order.He was awarded the Knight's cross of the Order of the Oaken Crown by Royal Decree of 9 October 1854.Sources:"Nederland's Adelsboek", 1953, p. 95"Onderscheidingen van de Koning-Groothertog, De Orde van de Eikenkroon 1841-1890", by C.P. Mulder and P.A. Christiaans, p. 525"Een select gezelschap en een vergeten onderscheiding, Ridders in de Orde van de Gouden Leeuw van Nassau", by C.P. Mulder and P.A. Christiaans, p. 241 & 256 Edited January 8, 2007 by ErikMuller
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