Luftwaffe Officer candidate : basic question

[New Kid]

Hello all

which insignias may have an officer candidate on his tunic ? Is it : standard oberfeldwebel collar tabs but officer silver piping around the collar instead of NCO's tresse ? What about the shoulder boards ?

Have you some good pics to show ? Period or today's items ?

Thanks a lot

Edited January 30, 2009 by New Kid

[Naxos]

Offiziersanw?rter ranks Wehrmacht

Fahnenjunker = usually Unteroffizier shoulder boards with Doppel-Tresse

F?hnrich = Feldwebel shoulder boards with Doppel-Tresse

Oberf?hnrich = Oberfeldwebel shoulder boards with Doppel-Tresse and NCO collar tabs and after exam Oberf?hnriche were allowed to wear the officers collar tabs with Oberfeldwebel shoulder boards.

Oberf?hnrich Panzergrenadier 1943

Edited January 30, 2009 by Naxos

[Naxos]

[Naxos]

Oberf?hnrich

[Paul R]

Hello all

which insignias may have an officer candidate on his tunic ? Is it : standard oberfeldwebel collar tabs but officer silver piping around the collar instead of NCO's tresse ? What about the shoulder boards ?

Have you some good pics to show ? Period or today's items ?

Thanks a lot

Hello...

That is correct. The LW is a little different than the Heer in this regard. The LW Officer Candidate did use the NCO uniform except that instead of the NCO collar tresse, the officer style silver cord is sewn to the outer collar. The Shoulder straps are the same as the NCO's except for the extra strip of tress(or cord) around the base of the strap. I will see if there are some pics I can post. The officer's head gear was authorized.

Regards

Paul

[Naxos]

Hello...

That is correct. The LW is a little different than the Heer in this regard. The LW Officer Candidate did use the NCO uniform except that instead of the NCO collar tresse, the officer style silver cord is sewn to the outer collar. The Shoulder straps are the same as the NCO's except for the extra strip of tress(or cord) around the base of the strap. I will see if there are some pics I can post. The officer's head gear was authorized.

Regards

Paul

Here you go:

F?hnrich der Luftwaffe

Edited February 1, 2009 by Naxos

[nesredep]

Hello!

Interesting tread.

All the best

Nesredep

[New Kid]

Ok, thanks to you all ! Paul, your pics are welcome ! Naxos, on your photograph the NCO's tresse is still on the collar ?

[Naxos]

Ok, thanks to you all ! Paul, your pics are welcome ! Naxos, on your photograph the NCO's tresse is still on the collar ?

Yes and the silver piping has been added as well

Edited February 1, 2009 by Naxos

[New Kid]

Yes and the silver piping has been added as well

That's interesting ; I've found an other picture (sorry for the very bad scan) :

Interestingly his schirmm?tze has a waffenfarbe piping and a silver piping.

[Naxos]

Oberf?hnrich Ernst Germer

[New Kid]

Thanks for this picture ; he does not seem to have the extra strip of cord on the shoulder boards

[Naxos]

Thanks for this picture ; he does not seem to have the extra strip of cord on the shoulder boards

Yes, just like the with the army counter part - once they qualified to wear the officer's style head gear, belt and other accouterment the strap was no longer worn on the NCO board.

[Paul R]

You guys beat me to it!

Here is another example...

It is far sale on the Estand.

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/sho...ad.php?t=325864

Naxos, I love that board!

[Paul R]

Here is another one. This candidate is at a lower level of the OCS process. Notice the EM collar piping and the slide on cord on the shoulder strap. Also, the medical cipher on the shoulder straps was only used by officer candidates.

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?s=&showtop...st&p=183792

[Naxos]

Here is another one. This candidate is at a lower level of the OCS process. Notice the EM collar piping and the slide on cord on the shoulder strap. Also, the medical cipher on the shoulder straps was only used by officer candidates.

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?s=&showtop...st&p=183792

Very nice tunic Paul

[Paul R]

I have permission from the seller of the HG version to use the photos. They belong to Chad. He wanted me to tell everyone that it is available. I wish I had the funds!!

This man would have worn the officer visor and side arm!

[Paul R]

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[Paul R]

another

[New Kid]

Many thanks to you two !

Paul, what is the OCS process ?

[Naxos]

Here you can find the entire Handbook on German Military Forces, U.S. War Department Technical Manual TM-E 30-451 published in March 1945.

http://www.lonesentry.com/manuals/tme30/index.html

You will find the training of replacement officers at:

CHAPTER I. THE GERMAN MILITARY SYSTEM, VI. Conscription; Replacement and Training; 4. Training; d.) The training of Potential Officers

Edited February 2, 2009 by Naxos

[New Kid]

Woh, big document ! Very interesting, even if I don't understand all. So, OCS stands for Officer Candidates School, right ?

I would like to apply new insignias on my salty four pockets to make it an officer candidate ; would these tabs be historically good (I've hidden the web site to preserve them from competition...) ? If I've understood, they should go with an officer cap since they have not silver cord around them, right ?

The tunic, that Paul already knows :

[Naxos]

The material and color of the boards should match the tunic - It appears that the boards you posted are of a different material and weave than your tunic.

[Naxos]

The boards (Oberfeldwebel) without the Offiziersanw?rter strap are correct for your silver piped (collar) tunic.

Edited February 2, 2009 by Naxos

[New Kid]

Yes you're right, the material is a bit different... too bad

Nevertheless, a bit of what appears to be the same material is used in the cuffs, so perhaps it is not annoying :

Finally maybe I will only put on officer insignias, I don't know.