Jacques Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 Few years ago a polemic occured on WAF concerning von Thoma. Bill Stump (RIP) showed a document of the spanish cross with diamonds attributed to von Thoma and stated that he was awarded the diamonds as 28th recipients. The document looked odd to me. Moreover, there was no clear picture available showing von Thoma with the diamonds. The only picture showed was from Bender's book and was very blurry. At that time, I didn't agreed this opinion. that opinion was shared by others that will read these lines.Indeed, some books mention 28 recipients, other mention 27. In my opinion, only 27 soldiers were awarded the spanish cross with diamonds. All are from the Luftwaffe. During the ceremony which occured in Hamburg on May 31th, 1939, following the return of the LC troops in Germany, Hermann G?ring awarded crosses with diamonds and some gold crosses. At that time von Thoma received the gold cross, so did von Funck and another Army (Signal troops commander) officer.I finally found a period picture showing von Thoma during the June 3rd ceremony in D?beritz. This front pic shows him with his cross. I tryed to enlarge the pic and I do think it is a gold cross without diamonds. Diamonds are generally clearly visible, making a bright ring around the center circle.I think that this picture proves that von Thoma was not awarded the diamonds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted February 4, 2006 Author Share Posted February 4, 2006 The picture shows Oberst von Thoma reviewing the Imker troops with von Brauchitsch on June 3rd, 1939 in D?beritz. Von Brauchitsch will award some gold and silver crosses to the Imker troop. von Thoma is wearing his spanish cross, the LC Pz badge, the "Medalla Militar" and the "Medalla de la campa?a". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted February 4, 2006 Author Share Posted February 4, 2006 Detailed von Brauschitsch and von Thoma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted February 4, 2006 Author Share Posted February 4, 2006 A close up of von Thoma. The spanish cross shows no diamonds ring.Note the " Medalla Militar" and the belt buckle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted February 4, 2006 Author Share Posted February 4, 2006 A close up of the cross (The best I can do). No ring with brightening diamonds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 And Jacques wins the "Inspector Javert Prize" for long and determined search for PROOF. That was never a tale that made sense. Despite the entry in "Virtuti Pro Patria" stating that he DID have diamonds, no period sources showed any such evidence... and the supposed "Nachlass" of the long dead, little-remembered bachelor did not bear close scrutiny. And who knew that Ritter von Thoma looked like the actor Kirk Douglas in his prime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted February 4, 2006 Author Share Posted February 4, 2006 A compilation of spanish cross with diamonds from period pics. The top left is von Thoma's cross, to copare with the others which are from von Richthofen, Oesau, Galland, M?lders, Balthasar, L?tzow, Harlinghausen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Temple-West Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 An excellent piece of detective work, jacques. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Gordon Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 Jacques, good work but I ask this question...Was it not the case that a famous pilot did not receive the SC with diamonds, only the gold class and kicked up a fuss and then later G?ring presented this pilot with a diamond SC? If true, could this have happened with Von Thoma?Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted February 5, 2006 Author Share Posted February 5, 2006 The two pilots reported to have been later awarded the diamonds (around 20th june) are Galland and Balthasar (7 victories), not von Thoma. Some other Army officers like Warlimont or von Funck should have been on the list before von Thoma.I don't know if these two pilots kicked up a fuss to get the diamonds; other pilots riched the score of 7 victories and only got the gold cross.jacques Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal Williams Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 Excellent thread! Are there really so few original pics of Von Thoma? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted February 5, 2006 Author Share Posted February 5, 2006 Yes, pics of von Thoma seems rare, especially portrait showing his medal. In fact I never saw one. I suppose that he took some portrait before his captivity, and I hope to get one .jacques Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K. Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 JacquesIs the picture dated on the back??Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted February 8, 2006 Author Share Posted February 8, 2006 here is the reverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
François SAEZ Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 Additionally to this point and if my memory serves me well, Gordon W. explained us how a british vet sold v. Thoma medals to an English dealer (Gordon was present) and the Spanish Cross in the group was .................... Gold but no diamonds.Thanks Jacques for this work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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