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  1. Hi Ilieff, That you for getting my massage We did not write any book We did not publish any articles. We are pure collectors who bang our heads to clear some facts that are not in the books.using our knowledge and materials that are in our hands or in books and on internet Igor is sometime hot headed It is OK with me It shows eagerness to show a point All of us we have different ways to get our points. Thanks God it is just a Forum on Internet Can you imagine what could be if we are locked in a room and try to get our point. There could be a fist fight at some stage Like in many Parliaments around the world. That is the nature of Debate -could be very hot sometimes I have more information regarding the French made Bravery order with French mark for Silver post #33 from 27 of August It comes from an expert on Bulgarian Orders "the bravery order with the boar head mark for Silver is very interesting. I would like to assume that the jeweller Kretly in Paris may be considered for this early type, in conjunction with this mark. I have not seen such a punch yet on a bravery order, but on many decorations of civil merit order I can prove "Kretly"." That is some proof that all those Models were not privately made but by some of the best makers at that time Why?...to bang our heads even further Hi Ilieff -Good point if they are made privately ...why bronze. BTW Thank you both for the photos Cheers
  2. Hi As it is suspected the this Model was one of the first ones. Also we can speculate that it was given mainly to high ranking Officers, that can explain the lower numbers seen then the standard crosses.we also can speculate that any of the rare Models we see were given only to high ranking Officers and on special ceremonies
  3. Thank you for the comments Graf
  4. Dear members, I would like to start this topic with a nice 1941 3-rd Class Order for Bravery In fact since no 1-st and 2-nd Classes were given during this period this Class is considered to be the "1st Class" I have seen pictures of this Order, from this period, mostly with Bulgarian Officers and more often with King Boris III. I aquired this 3-rd Class recently with a picture of German General. I do not know whether this is his Order, because there is no provenance to suppoti it. However, it is a nice Set anyway. It ia a real photo with a hand written "Stalingrad". Regards Graf
  5. Hi Ilieff, Good Job Thanks No 1 is from my collection and it is a silvered brass No any marks evident on the cross Till now in the literature this Variant was divided on two type with smooth borders {2, 4, 5 and 6) and attached swords and with notched borders and free standing swords {1 and 3) From your research is evident that it is not possible to define only two types It is also indicative that this variant could have been made by more then one maker. That raises the questions - When exactly it was made What period it could be fitted and What was the reason this variant to be made The question about the material of No 2 could be answered only by the collector who has it
  6. Hi Ilieff, I was looking in your post 23 from 29 of March The second picture from a collector in Bulgaria - the enamel of the cross look very similar to the enamel of another rare Variation of this Class I recently managed to get a hold of this Variation and I found out that those crosses were made in France There is a French Mark for Silver "boar head", This support the theory that these crosses are made by official companies and makers and are not privately made. Why and when is still mystery. Best Graf
  7. Hi, Here are two very nice miniature Groups from two different periods Both of them are most likely owned by German Officers, however they include few Bulgarian Orders The First Group is 1880- 1918 period It has three Bulgarian Miniatures -Order for Bravery -4th Class, Order for Military Merit -4/5th Class and the 1915-1918 Commemorative medal The Second Group is the 1957 Model of Decorations to a WW2 German Officer It includes two Bulgarian Orders- Very Interesting 3rd or 4th Class Class of the Soldiers Cross of the Order for Bravery and a nice 4th Class of the Order for Military Merit with war decoration Graf
  8. Hi , I saw it as well. I did not bid for it because I have similar already. It is a pity that the dealer separated the Set/Bar The marks are for Silver and Maker mark
  9. Hi igor, Nice mini here i my latest mini of the Grand Cross of Civil merit It is very small 12 mm in diameter compared to the 20 mm 1st Class on the left
  10. Thank you. I was lucky to get few more It looks like the Silver is a little bit easier to find here is my small collection of the 1941 Soldier Cross
  11. Hi, I agree with you Not as detailed and not a qood quality as the Ferdinand and Boris Models, however still very rare and very nice. Thanks for the listing
  12. belgian Order of Leopold l

    Hi Vincent It is the late second type of C. Buls If you look my post from 7th of August you can see the 1st type on the left from the Commander Cross and the 2nd type on the right The Commander Crosses and the Grand Cordon Crosses by Buls always came with the 1st type crown as seen on the picture Sometime they have marks, however many times they are not marked Best Graf
  13. At last i managed to get hold of this rare piece, which is believed to of the one of the first 4th Class Bravery Order...and i managed to solve one of the mystery- where was made this rare and unique piece- in France It has a French Silver mark "boar head" I am still looking to find a maker mark -it could be anywhere on the cross .If i find it i will post you a picture. Graf
  14. At last I managed to get all versions of the 1941 Soldier Cross Model Thr Bronze cross does exist. What is the purpose of it --it is still mystery for me. I have not seen any 1941 Model with crossed ribbons, therefore i still think it was made to represent 3rd Class, Perhaps, because all 1941 Soldiers Crosses were made in Germany and given only to German Personnel i can speculate that they try to copy/adopt other similar German awards models 1st Class -Gold 2nd Class Silver and 3rd Class Bronze. Graf
  15. Hi, Here is the information from Prince Romanoff book As I suggested he considers that this is second model of the cross, which was awarded.It is obvious that this model is by far much rarer then the first model The large ring could be another feature of this rare model apart from the other different features Hi Ilieff you have good eyes I did not notice that the line was drawn. That explains the difference This ribbon was modified to match the design of the original ribbon Bear in mind that Prince Romanoff had an exclusive access to very rare items at the time of writing his book including some rare ones. This was not the case fro the Bulgarian authors. This can explain why some of those models did not appear in their books. They rely on their own collections and the ones of fellow collectors. Graf
  16. Hi Petar, Very interesting facts Can you consider that this could be a rare Model with the name of the maker stamped on it Many of the books for Bulgarian Orders, although some of them are very good,, are not covering 100% of what was made. Like many Bulgarian and non Bulgarian awards, this particular one can come in two models marked and not marked and the first one being much rarer then the second one Why experimental or prototype model We can assume that this is a official marked model and as i mentioned rarer then the not marked one.. Like you say, this rare model came with a ribbon, although it is different from the well known one ( not only the size) suggests that it was awarded The smaller size ribbon indicate that it might have been awarded to a lady. Graf
  17. Hi Igor, There is a similar book on Bravery Order by Uwe Bretzendorfer I have this book.I was lucky that Uwe sold me the very last copy he had i am not sure whether he will re- publish it again Uwe does not have any more copies at this stage It looks like the Bulgarian Bravery Order is quite popular in Germany due to the fact that many Germans s were awarded It is very nice book He has a little bit different classification of the Bravery Order from those ones of the Bulgarian authors. He himself is a eager collector of Bulgarian Orders I will post the front cover in the next 1-2 days Graf
  18. It is sad that the Auction House has split the Set Starting price for the Cross -40 000 EURO plus com Starting Price for the Star -15.000 EURO plus com I wish i could buy both and keep the Set together...Just a dream
  19. Hi Camelneck, Both Order of merit and Medal for Merit are founded on 25th of December 1881 by Prince Alexander Battenberg Medal of Merit comes in three Classes 1st Class Gold 2nd Class Silver 3rd Class Bronze Order of Merit comes in two Classes 1st Class Gold 2nd Class Silver Both are associated with the Order of St Alexander Order of Merit is with the laurel and swords II is military decoration and was i given for merit in war time and in piece time The Medal of Merit is more civil Decoration and was given for merit and contributions to the throne. There are few emissions of the Medal for merit Prince Alexander with no crown Prince Ferdinand few models the very first model is without crown, next model is with princely crown and later model with King crown ( the last two models came without crowns as well} King Ferdinand- with crown and without crown King Boris - with crown and without crown There is a model with an error -in the word Bulgarite there is a missing letter, however it is fair common model Regency emission The Monarch image is replaced with a lion with no crown Republican Emission as the Regency Emission plus in addition the crown on top is replaced with laurel The Order for Merit comes with no crown and have the same emissions Prince Alexander Note This emission comes only in Silver Prince Ferdinand King Ferdinand and King Boris There are different models of each emission Both decorations are worn on the breasts suspended on triangular red ribbon as Order of St Alexander or Bravery Order ribbon when given at war time Both decorations do not have any enamel parts This is a very general information but remember Medal of Merit -Three Classes Gold, Silver and Bronze and Order for Merit only Two Classes Gold and Silver No enamel parts I personally do not collect those decorations i have only two Gold Medals of Merit Prince Ferdinand Emission with princely crown and King crown because they are rare and i was lucky to get across them The Gold medals are very rare according to the existing information only 23 men during the 69 years period In my personal opinion their number is higher. The price as you can assume depends on the how rare is the decoration and how old it is Also the condition and the presence of original box and Document My personal advice is not to jump to buy now research the market and compare Ebay is a good site, however look the reputation of the seller Same sellers put a high price, however they accept decent offers Some sellers want to sell quick and put low prices in the begging of the sale Be careful for fakes Compare few times before you buy eMedals is a good site, however he could be expensive Shop Bulgaria is another site to look into and lastly Liverpool Medals { be careful of the murky pictures}
  20. Dear members, Till very recently we have enjoyed fake free market..bad news is not any more I just want to alert the Forum that for a quite a while I have noticed some increase of Fake Bulgarian Orders on the Market The most faked one is Order of St Alexander Also faked pieces of high Classes of the Other Ordes have been on the Market, Some single fakes of rare Bulgarian medals as well Be alert Most of them I have noticed are on EBay, however some of them are now surfacing on different dealers sites and also on different Auctions in Europe. The source of some of them is also a Dealer in France, who is offering them to other dealers I am trying to gather some information and at this stage I will not publish any pictures or names not to offend any pesons. My advice at this stage Buyer Be Aware Look for any alterations/modifications, changed parts,new parts ,fake enamel, faked patina, wrong size, bad craftsmanship etc. The most important -the quality is not as good as the original period Decorations Ask questions, ask for more information..if in doubt pass it on Use a common sense and your knowledge and do not jump to any deal because is too good THe Good News is that these fakes are mainly high classess -Bad news is they are expensive for fakes. I am expecting any one who notices any such a piece to alert the Forum We have to try to stop such a practice and protect ourselfs Graf
  21. Hi Lambert, The problem is that thre are collectors on the market who do not communicate with other fellow collectors and they buy such items believing that they are original. They even do not bother to check the diamonds. Even the diamonds were real , they could be very low grade ones. As far as I remember the Bravery "Set" was on sale for over 10.000 US$ The value of low quality diamonds plus the 1941 Orders cold be around 2.000 - 3,000 US$ at the best. Stl profit of 7.000. ,,, and this is the best scenario if the Star is Original and the Diamonds real This is not the only Luxury set offered by dishonest sellers. I remember few of them. There was a St Alexander Star offered by seller fro turkey. I saw the Star on his site before it was turned into "Luxury" with Diamonds The Star had specific marks that I noticed even after the improvement The price jumped nearly tenfold It was sold on Ebay. . Do not spend hard earned money for questionable items... or they will be yours for ever with no value
  22. Hi Johannis, Many times the Order and the box are not from the same maker or period.That is because down the time many collectors and dealers mix and match them The ribbon looks very new to me When you get the Order you can check for any makers marks Perhaps some more advanced collectors of Italian Orders can identify the period of your Order from the picures Best Graf
  23. The First Model of Prince Ferdinand for 20 years Service was with a reverse text "Sluzba Otlicna" The reverse medallion ha the date 2 August 1887 This is the date when Prince Ferdinand arrived in Bulgaria after being elected as a prince The Second Ferdinand Model for 29 years Service is the same, however the text is "Otlichna Sluzba" and the quality of the green enamel is not as fine as the one of the First Model In King Boris Model for 20 years Service, as the one shown by Camelneck, the reverse is changed with one with a Lion without a shield Om the reverse the Prince/King Ferdinand initial is changed with the one of King Boris Here is a nice example of First Model for 20 years of Service by Rothe
  24. Dear Membes, I recently obtained this old Model of the Sweden Order of the Sword. My research indicates that the Model could be around 1800 Period Can you help me to identify the exact period and how rare is this Model Regards Graf
  25. Hi Binky, There are other scenarios as well : Many buyers are not members of any clubs like this one and they will keep the items till they sell them and then they will find the truth Some will find sooner and will try to recover the loss by re-selling them This guy was very smart , he knew what he was doing, therefore he had no return policy. Also the Ebay policy for fakes is that the buyer has to provide a certificate from a reputable expert that the item is fake..and then still it is not guaranty that he/she will get the money back The moral of the story is if you see such a sale you better pass it Keep away if the seller does have very vague details of the items, does not specify if the item is Original and has No return policy Always ask questions before commit yourself
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