Graf

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  1. Hi Camelneck, Both Order of merit and Medal for Merit are founded on 25th of December 1881 by Prince Alexander Battenberg Medal of Merit comes in three Classes 1st Class Gold 2nd Class Silver 3rd Class Bronze Order of Merit comes in two Classes 1st Class Gold 2nd Class Silver Both are associated with the Order of St Alexander Order of Merit is with the laurel and swords II is military decoration and was i given for merit in war time and in piece time The Medal of Merit is more civil Decoration and was given for merit and contributions to the throne. There are few emissions of the Medal for merit Prince Alexander with no crown Prince Ferdinand few models the very first model is without crown, next model is with princely crown and later model with King crown ( the last two models came without crowns as well} King Ferdinand- with crown and without crown King Boris - with crown and without crown There is a model with an error -in the word Bulgarite there is a missing letter, however it is fair common model Regency emission The Monarch image is replaced with a lion with no crown Republican Emission as the Regency Emission plus in addition the crown on top is replaced with laurel The Order for Merit comes with no crown and have the same emissions Prince Alexander Note This emission comes only in Silver Prince Ferdinand King Ferdinand and King Boris There are different models of each emission Both decorations are worn on the breasts suspended on triangular red ribbon as Order of St Alexander or Bravery Order ribbon when given at war time Both decorations do not have any enamel parts This is a very general information but remember Medal of Merit -Three Classes Gold, Silver and Bronze and Order for Merit only Two Classes Gold and Silver No enamel parts I personally do not collect those decorations i have only two Gold Medals of Merit Prince Ferdinand Emission with princely crown and King crown because they are rare and i was lucky to get across them The Gold medals are very rare according to the existing information only 23 men during the 69 years period In my personal opinion their number is higher. The price as you can assume depends on the how rare is the decoration and how old it is Also the condition and the presence of original box and Document My personal advice is not to jump to buy now research the market and compare Ebay is a good site, however look the reputation of the seller Same sellers put a high price, however they accept decent offers Some sellers want to sell quick and put low prices in the begging of the sale Be careful for fakes Compare few times before you buy eMedals is a good site, however he could be expensive Shop Bulgaria is another site to look into and lastly Liverpool Medals { be careful of the murky pictures}
  2. Hi Ilieff, Thank you for the information When i initially wrote the text it was very late at night and I did not realized that i made a mistake regarding the Order for Merit Since then i edited the text accordingly. Regarding the two Gold medals Both of them came from Germany from a reputable sources and i believe that they are real. Both are have German mounting style ribbons one of the appear to be removed from a medal bar I have not checked the metal yet. however i plan to do it in the near future. I will take a photo on the back of the medals with a different view Here is one view of the back of the medals Hi Camelneck, you have very good points yes collecting is a very interesting and also could be very expensive. expensive. Your approach towards collecting is the right one. First taste it with more common pieces, then get a good information before dive head first in to the deep waters of the collecting world. Yes it is a good investment Many of the Military dealers have been collectors for a long time and tuned it to a business. They still collect. Regarding the Medal for Merit i tried to give you as simple information as possible not to confue you too much, i also have seen the medal as part of medal bar to Military persons. Best Graf Hi New World I agree with you. Therefore i did not invest big $$ into them They are very rare and only by looking at the pictures of previously sold or from the books one can not have the idea whether they hold the real ones. Gold medals were made by fire gilding of bronze or Silver medals. Information which could be helpful when assessing the medals. As i mentioned somewhere else i have not checked them yet about the metal they are made from.
  3. Hi Yankee, I know the Auction site. It is very nice one and i wanted to bid on it, however they do not have postage for outside of Sweden Best Graf
  4. Dear Membes, I recently obtained this old Model of the Sweden Order of the Sword. My research indicates that the Model could be around 1800 Period Can you help me to identify the exact period and how rare is this Model Regards Graf
  5. Hi Yankee, Here is another one sold recently by eMedals
  6. Hi New World, My apology I just noticed that I made a mistake I did mean Order for Bravery 4th class 2nd Grade without swords 1941 Model I also share your opinion regarding Soldiers Cross, however we have to bear in mind that the Orders was given to medical persons and Clergy mans and in the army they had medical persons that are not doctors Simply because those crosses are not mentioned in any books we do not have to ignore their existence..we have to give them the Benefit of Doubt However as i mentioned I share your opinion till proven wrong Hi Igor Ostapenko Can you show the sites of the Soldiers cross without swords. Hi Camelneck there iare two nice books on Ebay USA for Bulgarian Orders and Decoration one is Prof Pavlov book and B. Denkov book If you are serious in collecting Bulgarian decorations you need a good books not just internet I can explain you a bit Order for merit and the medal for merit later on. I personally do not collect the i have only two Gold Medal for Merit -Prince Ferdinand Model simply because they are very rare birds
  7. Dear members, I would like to start this topic with a nice 1941 3-rd Class Order for Bravery In fact since no 1-st and 2-nd Classes were given during this period this Class is considered to be the "1st Class" I have seen pictures of this Order, from this period, mostly with Bulgarian Officers and more often with King Boris III. I aquired this 3-rd Class recently with a picture of German General. I do not know whether this is his Order, because there is no provenance to suppoti it. However, it is a nice Set anyway. It ia a real photo with a hand written "Stalingrad". Regards Graf
  8. Hi New World, Yes I did mean Soldiers Cross without swords I even did not look whether it was "adapted" by cutting the swords Or it was originally made without them
  9. Here what i found on internet -This is a first Document i have ever seen to an SS Person awarded Bravery Order -It is an Soldiers cross, Also i found on internet this very rare Document for the 3rd Class 1st Grade of the 1941 Order for Bravery it is the highest i have ever seen from this period It is given to a High ranking German Officer (Colonel) Also the pfot of the officer wearing the Order Hi Camelneck the Awards you are looking are not difficult to find on Ebay The Silver Medals for merit are not rare one unless you like to get ones that are from Prince Battenberg Period or the first Prince Ferdinand models with Princely crown The most difficult ones are the Gold ones.According to prof Pavlov only 28 were awarded Also the Military Order with War decoration in low Classes is not difficult to find Most of us are not restricted in certain period of collecting, however because due to many factors some of us have more Awards from particular period then from the other periods. personally I try to have a balance in my collection, however at certain points i have more from one period then the other ones. Simply this is the story of collecting. Also some are more lucky to find rare "birds" then oters..or/and have more $$$$ in their pockets or/and more desire to obtain an Award at certain point I remember an English Lord, who bought a very expensive items from an Action.was asked why he spent so much money for them. The answer was " One can say that they were more valuable to me then they were for the other bidders" Hi Ilieff very nice photo. I regret that i did not bid on the 1941 Model Soldiers Cross for Doctors i am still looking whether at least i managed to save it in my files
  10. Hi, I just found pictures of this unusual Sodiers Cross 3-4 Class It has multiparts removable central medalions and the swords are the same as the Officers Class Opinion wanted. Regards Graf
  11. Hi Camelneck, You have good points regarding the soldiers crosses dated 1941 All of them i bought from Germany over a long period of time O own three of them One was from Ebay Germany couple of years ago. I know the seller of it. He is a serious collector and co-author of a German book regarding Bulgaria Order for Bravery ( including the Soldier Cross) I know where he obtained the Cross from. He stated that in his opinion the 1941 Soldiers cross is less seen on the market then some of the very high Classes Bulgarian Orders Because it believed that they are produced in Germany and mainly given to German military personnel and none to Bulgarians it explain that their are found in Germany Four pieces were sold on a Auction few years ago as part of one of the biggest collection of Bulgarian Orders and decorations, which belonged to a Bulgarian collector living in France. Regarding the quality because, with the exception of 1941, other models were produced in huge numbers the quality may be from a very good one to very poor one Fakes - could be.. Fake 1941 very unlikely, because the fakers have to get the good quality My advice - do not buy any that looks bad and comes without any ribbon Best to have an original ribbon.
  12. Thank you Megan, That was my information, because from two sources it was dated 1850 and 1860 Hi Yankee I have not seen a Swedish Order of the Sword with a such rosette.It could have been given to a French person If the photo is from 1960 then the rosette is completely correct for the France Second Empire period 1852-1869 Award Document will be of help if there is strong evidence that belongs to the Order Graf
  13. Hi Megan Thank you I will appreciate any info regarding the date of this latest addition with double sided swords As i mentioned my information is that it dates 1850-60 i have seen one for sale The seller name is Tim
  14. CCJ You can buy it It is only 65 000 EURO It is for sale on Ebay Germany or you can contact the Seller House of History Hamburg Germany He might sell it cheaper I also believe that such items belong to the Military Museum in Sofia. It is interesting to find out who put the items for sale on the Auction in 1989 If it is King Simeon It is a shame He sold too many items on different auctions he is selling the history of Bulgaria.
  15. I finally got this old model It is very interesting double sided swords model Here are some pictures to compare
  16. Hi Ilieff, I found an interesting answer to your question Apparently, the Soldier's Cross was awarded also to German Officers. I assume that the rule for enlisted men applied only for Bulgarians Graf
  17. Hi, Here are two very nice miniature Groups from two different periods Both of them are most likely owned by German Officers, however they include few Bulgarian Orders The First Group is 1880- 1918 period It has three Bulgarian Miniatures -Order for Bravery -4th Class, Order for Military Merit -4/5th Class and the 1915-1918 Commemorative medal The Second Group is the 1957 Model of Decorations to a WW2 German Officer It includes two Bulgarian Orders- Very Interesting 3rd or 4th Class Class of the Soldiers Cross of the Order for Bravery and a nice 4th Class of the Order for Military Merit with war decoration Graf
  18. Dear members, Till very recently we have enjoyed fake free market..bad news is not any more I just want to alert the Forum that for a quite a while I have noticed some increase of Fake Bulgarian Orders on the Market The most faked one is Order of St Alexander Also faked pieces of high Classes of the Other Ordes have been on the Market, Some single fakes of rare Bulgarian medals as well Be alert Most of them I have noticed are on EBay, however some of them are now surfacing on different dealers sites and also on different Auctions in Europe. The source of some of them is also a Dealer in France, who is offering them to other dealers I am trying to gather some information and at this stage I will not publish any pictures or names not to offend any pesons. My advice at this stage Buyer Be Aware Look for any alterations/modifications, changed parts,new parts ,fake enamel, faked patina, wrong size, bad craftsmanship etc. The most important -the quality is not as good as the original period Decorations Ask questions, ask for more information..if in doubt pass it on Use a common sense and your knowledge and do not jump to any deal because is too good THe Good News is that these fakes are mainly high classess -Bad news is they are expensive for fakes. I am expecting any one who notices any such a piece to alert the Forum We have to try to stop such a practice and protect ourselfs Graf
  19. Hi Igor Here are 2 more pictures
  20. Hi Igor. It will be interesting to find out when they are awarded. Both 1st and the 3rd Class are with the Royal crown, that means that they might have been awarded during the Regency Period or at least one of them. There is a speculation that during the republican periods the removal of the crown was done only on 3rd Class 2nd Grade and replaced with wreath. That means a piece of 2nd Class with a wreath could be a 'fantasy' one There is a lot of grey area during post war two period Graf
  21. Hi Igor , The pictures are very interesting finding From the Uniform I can see that the Bravery Order is a 1st Class As far i know no 1st Class was given during Boris III period and after 1944. It will be very helpful if you can dig in the MG records to find out when he was awarded the Bravery Order
  22. Hi,

    I just listed my latest addition to the Seden Order of the Sword

    I beieve an old 1850 Model.

    Would you be so kind to have a look and idetify the period

     

    Best

     

    Graf

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    1. Peter J

      Peter J

      Hi Graf,

      I'll look into this tomorrow and get back to you.

       

      cheers

      Peter

    2. Peter J

      Peter J

      Hi Graf,

      You've really opened up a can of questions, but I've contacted one of the authorities on the Royal Order Kansli and he gave me a quick heads up one the various models.

      First of all, the categories referred to in Künke's catalogue is not correct i.e. the Order being instituted in 1772 and being the 2nd model. The presumption that this Order originates from the "Swordsknightorder" of Livland instituted 1197 is from a Swdish publication from the 15th century and this story has been cut and pasted through out the years. The Order of the Sword was instituted 1748 and the first type had a small crown between the cross arms (image#1, I had to use a Northstar for illustration). Around 1802 a larger crown was adopted and placed above the tips of the cross arms on a scharnier (image #2). I'll get additional info from my source, but apparently there were about 8 different designs between 1802 and 1832. The transformation to a different crown attached with a built in hinge on an ornamented "holder"?) occured in 1860 and the balls on the edges of the arms 1856 (image #3), although these balls have been found on earlier pieces as well. There were also tiny enamel dots on the crown.

      So where does that leave your cross? If we look at the crown it's a dead-ringer for the crown found on the 1847 Olov Orden. Well, IMHO your conclusion seems to place it around 1850, but I'll forward the image and see what I can find out.

      cheers

      Peter

       

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  23. Hi New World, Then our task is to ask for a side views and more information ..But then the whole Order will be fake - made with modern materials like the Bravery Order -3rd Class 1941 Model. Here is a Modified Order with the swords cut off It is not a Bravery Order, however you can see how a good Order is butchered to increase its value The seller does not mentions anything about it, however the picture is self explanatory Once i had similar butchered Cross and I returned it to the seller in UK.... you know him
  24. This is my latest Order of the Sword As far as my knowledge goes it is 1850 Model Any more info?
  25. Hi,, Unfortunately, taet is the only picture of the "Swedish Collection" although the collector could be from any country. I t sent to me by a fellow collector from Belgium I zoomed it a little bit to help you There is nothing strange with the boxes --just standard ones. About the Order for Braver with 3 dots -1st Class was sold on the 173 Kuenker Action.in 2010 On this Auction a 2nd Class from the same Model was sold as well See small differences in the crowns of the crosses Interestingly it came in a box from the French firm Marie Stuart, Paris, which could be a clue about the maker or one of the makers of this interesting Model. I have not seen the box, although.