James Hoard

New Order for Tonga

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John Duncan McMeekin has sent me a whole bunch of images to add to this thread.

First up, a photo of King George Tupou II:

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Next, a picture of King Taufa'ahau Tupou IV:

And what John describes as "the first ever photo I saw of King George Tupou II":

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And there's more :)

The late King George Tupou V:

H.M. King Tupou VI (he only takes a reigning name when he is crowned):

Tongan Cross of Merit 1st & 2nd Classes - about which John says "Under each reign a different Ribbon is issued, King T. Tupou IV was the last king seen to wear this cross, one issued under his reign & one under his mother's reign - Queen Salote Tupou III."

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John has also sent this image of H.M. Queen Elizabeth II wearing The Most Illustrious Order of Queen Salote Tupou III:

He's also sent a document with all sorts of other information about matters Tongan, which I am sifting through.

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More from John!

Ko e Fakalangilangi'api Faku Tu'i
(The Most Devoted Royal Household Order of Tonga) 2009
Grand Officer's Star, (G.O.R.H.)

Ko e Fakalangilangi 'o Kingi Sia'osi Tupou I
(The Royal Order of King George Tupou I) Inst. between 1876 & 1890
Knight Grand Cross (K.G.C.G.T.) formerly Knight Grand Commander
Knight Commander (7 pointed star) now obsolete
Companion, now obsolete
Ko e Fakalangilangi Fekau Fakka Fale 'Alo Faka Tu'i Kingi Sia'osi Tupou V
(The King George Tupou V Royal Family Order) Inst. 2008
(R.F.O.) - on the pale blue ribbon

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Current awards designed by P. Eagleton & supplied by Worth.

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If I am not wrong, this is not a new order, but the Tongan Coronation Medal, and the photo stands for Istvan Doma-Miko, Hungarian painter of the Royal family of Tonga.

 Dragomir

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More from John Duncan McMeekin...

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This is

His Majesty, King Tupou VI  (no Christian name), who is wearing the following:

THE  COLLAR: Knight Grand Cross, The Most Illustrious Order of Queen Salote Tupou III

The Collar (note, the King has altered the insignia of replacing the Knight Grand Cross insignia (using a red riband) with that of the Grand Cross insignia (using a blue riband)..

3 BREAST  STARS

1. The (new) Knight Grand Cross Star (with the blue riband) of the Most Illust. Order of Queen Salote Tupou III.

2.  Grand Cross,  The Most Devoted Royal Household Order of Tonga - Note: this is a new G.C. as the central medallion is all gold with the embossed National Coat of Arms of Tonga (made in Singapore).

3. Supreme Class,  The Illustrious Order of Te Arikinui Queen Te Atairangikaahu of the Maori King, Arikinui Tuheitia Paki  (Inst. 21st August, 2014).

NECK  BADGE: Grand Officer's neck badger, Royal Household Order on a 37mm ribbon.

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ID: 35   Posted (edited)

On ‎27‎/‎05‎/‎2013‎ ‎20‎:‎26‎:‎37, Megan said:

And what John describes as "the first ever photo I saw of King George Tupou II":

 

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This is actually not a Tongan order at all. It is the sash (without star and badge) of the Order of the Red Eagle 1st class of Prussia. The decoration was conferred on his great-grandfather. Presumably the sash was all that was left and found hanging around in the palace.

The white and read have been assumed.

 

 

Edited by James Hoard

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"THE  COLLAR: Knight Grand Cross, The Most Illustrious Order of Queen Salote Tupou III: The Collar (note, the King has altered... "

It's good to be King!

 

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On ‎01‎/‎12‎/‎2015‎ ‎21‎:‎58‎:‎08, Megan said:

More from John Duncan McMeekin...

565d7be4ad48d_2.KingTupouVI.thumb.jpg.a5

This is

His Majesty, King Tupou VI  (no Christian name), who is wearing the following:

THE  COLLAR: Knight Grand Cross, The Most Illustrious Order of Queen Salote Tupou III

The Collar (note, the King has altered the insignia of replacing the Knight Grand Cross insignia (using a red riband) with that of the Grand Cross insignia (using a blue riband)..

3 BREAST  STARS

1. The (new) Knight Grand Cross Star (with the blue riband) of the Most Illust. Order of Queen Salote Tupou III.

2.  Grand Cross,  The Most Devoted Royal Household Order of Tonga - Note: this is a new G.C. as the central medallion is all gold with the embossed National Coat of Arms of Tonga (made in Singapore).

3. Supreme Class,  The Illustrious Order of Te Arikinui Queen Te Atairangikaahu of the Maori King, Arikinui Tuheitia Paki  (Inst. 21st August, 2014).

NECK  BADGE: Grand Officer's neck badger, Royal Household Order on a 37mm ribbon.

This information isn't quite correct.

Nothing has been changed with regard to the order of Queen Salote III. The ribbon was always plain blue from the beginning. Please see the earlier post with the stamp sheet featuring Queen Elizabeth II wearing the order.

The only thing that has been changed is the Grand Cross star of the Royal Household Order. Probably due to the transfer of production from worth to ELM (Eng Leong Medallic Industries Pte Ltd) in Singapore. I am not even sure there was a change in the manufactured design since the present King was invested with the GC during the previous reign. Perhaps the Worth proposed design was already changed when it came to be first manufactured.

Much of the information we have on the Tongan orders needs revision. Even the articles published in learned journals, such as JOMSA (Vol 37, 1-2, 1986) and Medal Collector are incorrect. At least those parts of them based on the two articles that appeared in Pacific Islands Monthly in 1942 and 1949, which were in turn based upon information supplies by one F. Theodore Goedicke. The latter gives different dates in the two articles, mistaken names of people, fanciful descriptions of well known orders like SS Maurice & Lazarus of Italy and the "Star of Morocco" (presumably Sharifan Order of Alawi). Then compounds further with a photograph of himself wearing the insignia of one Tongan order, on a ribbon of another, to which he attaches the name of a third. If one has a look at some of the other articles he contributed to in Pacific Islands Monthly, Goedicke comes across as something of a fantasist, claiming to be a friend of Bismark, instrumental in the annexation of German New Guinea, and titled himself a Dutch Count. Consequently, the Order of the Crown which he says was instituted on his recommendation in 1913, now appears to have existed from at least 1904 and probably founded in 1896.

More to follow in due course.

Cheers.

 

 

 

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Some further tentative observations on Tongan orders as follows.

The following picture of King George Tupou II dated ca 1909 (there is an earlier one from about 1904, but it does not show the sash badge).

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Collar and collar badge: A white enamelled Maltese cross with sword hilts between the arms, a red enamelled circlet, and a crown suspension. Collar composed of a gold chain with 6-pointed stars and doves of peace. The Order of Pouono.

Breast stars:

1 - A seven-armed, gold breast star with red enamelled circler containing the motto - The Order of Pouono.

2 & 3 - Two 4-pointed stars with blue enamelled circled containing the motto. Identical or near identical (perhaps first as well as second class) of the Order of the Crown (note, not the "Order of the Crown of Tonga", not "Royal Order of the Crown of Tonga", nor "Royal Order of the Crown"). Closely modelled on the Prussian Order of the Crown, which had been bestowed on the King's late grandfather Crown Prince Tevida 'Unga in 1877.

4 - A 6-pointed gold star with a white enamelled Maltese cross with small points in the centre of the arms of the cross, with red enamelled circled containing the motto. The name of this order is uncertain, but I am provisionally calling this "the Order of the Cross of Tonga" for now.

Sash and sash badge: A 6-pointed gold star with a white enamelled Greek cross -  "the Order of the Cross of Tonga" for now.

Neck badge: Green enamelled gold Maltese cross with green enamelled leaves between the arms - unknown name, probably a stand alone decoration unrelated to the other orders mentioned.

Chest badges:

1 - 4th class of the Order of the Crown - miniature white-enamelled Greek cross with a red enamelled circled containing the motto, on a red ribbon with narrow white edge-stripes on a "Russian" style ribbon mounting.

2 & 3 - probably junior classes of the provisionally entitled "Order of the Cross of Tonga".

Note: at this time we also know of the existence of a further order, the Royal Order of King George Tupou I which had been instituted in the previous reign, but the insignia of that order are not worn in this picture. Very similar in shape and design to the Persian Order of the Lion and Sun.

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Excellent, excellent... John Duncan McMeekin - who sent me the above photo and text to be posted here (for some reason he doesn't care to post for himself so gets the local geek to do it for him!) - says he's working on a full listing of Tongan medals. I'm sure this will all be very helpful :)

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Hello Megan,

It is just amazing how much misinformation there is out there. Even those who have actually received Tongan decorations seem to have put out dubious information.

C. Neville Packett's decorations are for sale at Tennants Auctioneers. He had explained that his Tongan orders were the "Order of the Crown" and the "Order of King George Tupou "I. While the pictures confirm the King George Tupou V modified version of the Order of the Crown, the other order does not seem to tally with the name. Looking closely at the pictures, we obviously have a different set of insignia to the Order of King George Tupou I or, indeed, any other decoration previously seen from Tonga. The breast star has a passing resemblance to the OKGTI, but it is much squarer in shape, flat rather than concave, and also made from different materials. Even if one were to be kind and ascribe the differences in the appearance of the star due to a different manufacturer, the rest of the insignia very obviously do not belong to the OKGTI. The OKGTI does not have a collar, the riband is of a different colour as well as arrangement of colours, a different sash badge and miniature. I have isolated the relevant insignia in the Tennant's picture below:

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A closer view of the collar and riband appear here http://c0728562.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/MI3123_HR_3.jpg

http://www.tennants.co.uk/Catalogue/Lots/224617.aspx

My view is that this may be the Order of the Tongan Star, which was created by Queen Salote Tupou III in 1956.

Cheers.

PS: I believe that John is discussing these matters with Christopher Buyers, and much of the actual information comes from him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Shame to have missed Tennants' sale!!   

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