Robert Muse Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Good Afternoon Everyone. Well, I have a question. Just what is this badge? Is it real or a fantasy piece? It is well made, hallmarked and heavy in the hand. Just over 2 inches long it is too big to be a lapel badge. I just got my copy of Airships over Ulster and The photographs of personnel show standard RNAS or RN hat badges for all ranks. Any information would be appreciated. Regards Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Hello Robert and welcome to the forum. I'm afraid I know nothing about badges but if it's hallmarked it would suggest to me that the piece is correct. What's the letter stamp. The Gaunt stamp looks like JF however, I assume it's a rubbed JR. If no one can give you a definite answer you might want to ask on the British military badge forum. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odulf Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 I have never seen anything like this in a context of official military insignia. To me it looks like it was composed from 2 parts, with the inner part marked. The wreath-and-crown part reminds me of the (Army) Warrant Officers Class 2 badge of rank. So, my guess is, a sweetheart badge (however, they mostly are pin broached). Is it all in massive white metal or coloured? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 It's a sweethearts brooch by the jewellers JR Gaunt, who are still active and based in London and Birmingham, it appears that the retaining pin is lacking but as far as I can see no problem with it. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Muse Posted November 8, 2015 Author Share Posted November 8, 2015 Hi, thanks for the information. To answer a question, it looks like old steel, but is non magnetic. It was listed as silver, but doesn't tarnish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry B Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 As has been already posted, it looks to be two badges joined together as a sweetheart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Muse Posted November 9, 2015 Author Share Posted November 9, 2015 Thank you Jerry, I agree that it is probably a sweetheart badge, but wonder how they got a perfect match on the metals without plating? You can see where the two parts are joined. Unless they are both a sort of silver that doesn't tarnish easily. Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry B Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I would assume that both are white metal/zinc alloy or similar and they have been joined together professionally using silver solder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldstream Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Whilst this may be a made up badge I have to say that I have never come across a Sweetheart badge with a two lug fixing as shown, can't imagine any Sweetheart being to keen to make the required holes in his or hers favorite clothing item to wear this, Which leaves the question is this a badge none of us have seen before or has it been made to deceive or is at indeed some form of Sweetheart or unofficial item? Regards Simon. A trawl on the net shows a number of these badges and the link below shows one recently sold on EBAY http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WW1-BRITISH-ROYAL-NAVAL-AIR-SERVICE-CAP-BADGE-RNAS-FLYING-CORPS-/281613014652?nma=true&si=362CHRgxRkJgJ5OHyXFMbSGNmmI%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Regards Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odulf Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 @ Simon, The badge offered, to my opinion, is to cheap to be a modern commercial repro. However, as I put before, the construction of the badge is out of the ordinary.... My advice would be, not to pay to much for it (Caveat Emptor). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Muse Posted November 13, 2015 Author Share Posted November 13, 2015 I want to thank everyone for their opinion. It is rather large to be a sweetheart pin, and does have lugs. As to quality, it is AT LEAST as well made than most original period badges I have examined. It is very high quality. Perhaps in the photos it looks like cheap white metal. With so much work spend on it by the manufacturer, if not real, I would think it may have been deliberately made to deceive. I'm sure we have all seen cheap knock offs of various badges, RNAS Armoured Car Section badges come to mind. This is well about this quality in weight and detail. Hi Simon, I noticed the one in the link is not hallmarked. While I agree many Gaunt markings are raised, I have had some that were recessed. Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilco Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Hi Gents, Just for interest see this thread http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31107&highlight=rnas Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldstream Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Bilco, Thanks for the link, interesting and appears answer the original question posed in this thread! Regards Simon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelbonnet Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 As there is no badge for the airship division of the RNAS I wonder if this badge could be a private commission to be worn by veterans of the service in mufti and at parades to show there particular backgrounds? We have a history here in Scotland of wearing clan badges or simple thistle badges on glengarries or balmoral bonnets rather than regimental badges to show different backgrounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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