is this ribbon bar possible?

[HeikoGrusdat]

Hello all, here is a very nice looking big ribbon bar. My question is now if this combination of awards is possible, I know other big ribbon bars with very similar combinations...maybe I can show later. Can you please name the awards on the right half of the bar, I want to be shure of these ribbons... thank you very much for the moment.

Heiko

[Stogieman]

OK, Right to Left:

Bulgarian Civil Merit Order

Bulgarian somethinortheother

Can't remember... thinking

Hessian Order of Phillip

Brunswick House Order (Possibly that Lippe thing WildCard mentioned?)

Baden Z?hringen Lion

The rest you know, right?

[landsknechte]

OK, Right to Left:

Bulgarian Civil Merit Order

Bulgarian somethinortheother

Can't remember... thinking

Hessian Order of Phillip

Brunswick House Order (Possibly that Lippe thing WildCard mentioned?)

Baden Z?hringen Lion

The rest you know, right?

"somethinortheother" - I think that's the St. Alexander

The blue and yellow ribbon in front of it looks like the Austrian Order of the Iron Crown, although I don't know enough about it to know if it's plausable.

[Guest Rick Research]

The Ricky Refrain is:

(all together now!!!)

Always Show The BACK!

[Dave Danner]

Unless you can ID the recipient, the all-red ribbon is not clearly identifiable. Since it comes after the Austrian Iron Crown and before the Bulgarian Civil Merit Order, it is (i) something Bulgarian higher than the Civil Merit Order, i.e., the Order of St. Alexander already mentioned, (ii) something Austrian junior to the Iron Crown such as a Signum Memoriae (which if this were a German diplomat or other government functionary is certainly possible), or (iii) something all-red from some other country.

[Stogieman]

I do not believe that to be Iron Crown Ribbon.

[HeikoGrusdat]

here is the reverse...

[landsknechte]

Interesting... The only bar that I've got that's stiched up with heavy red thread:

Edited January 26, 2006 by landsknechte

[landsknechte]

I wonder if that isn't the trademark of some outfitter in Hohenzollern.

[Guest Rick Research]

The Bulgarian CIVIL Merit Order will be the key here. I have seen these, God knows why, in MILITARY groups.

The combination yells "Prussian Guards Major" at me, possibly just promoted Oberstleutnant when the war started OR a pre-war Oberstleutnant whose peacetime Crown 3rd was "bumped away" by a wartime Crown 2X.

I tried looking in Guards regiments in 1914, but no luck...

given the way field officers were promoted in a "pool" by available openings, this guy must have been reassigned into some other less glamourous unit.

At least we know here that this is a WARTIME-worn combination, so no need to go back and back and back the way we do hunting for Old Style ribbon bars. He should have had ALL these when the war started.

He'll be in the 1914 Rank List somewhere, as a Major to Oberst.

[HeikoGrusdat]

He he Rick... and now look at this and see the first 6 awards, maybe these 2 guys had some time together...?! but at the end there are a lot of different orders...

Edited January 26, 2006 by HeikoGrusdat

[Dave Danner]

The Bulgarian CIVIL Merit Order will be the key here. I have seen these, God knows why, in MILITARY groups.

The combination yells "Prussian Guards Major" at me, possibly just promoted Oberstleutnant when the war started OR a pre-war Oberstleutnant whose peacetime Crown 3rd was "bumped away" by a wartime Crown 2X.

I tried looking in Guards regiments in 1914, but no luck...

given the way field officers were promoted in a "pool" by available openings, this guy must have been reassigned into some other less glamourous unit.

At least we know here that this is a WARTIME-worn combination, so no need to go back and back and back the way we do hunting for Old Style ribbon bars. He should have had ALL these when the war started.

He'll be in the 1914 Rank List somewhere, as a Major to Oberst.

The few officers with a "BC" I encountered were reserve officers. I didn't review them exhaustively, though.

My understanding from somewhere is that a number of Civil Merit Orders were conferred on Germans who provided non-military assistance to Bulgaria during the Balkan Wars.

[Guest Rick Research]

#11...

oh EVIL Heiko! Never will I forget missing Graf von Stillfried und Rattonitz on eBay. I found him INSTANTLY when that came up, first page, 1st regiment in the 1914 Rank List and then wasted hours because "it can't be THIS easy..." looking for somebody ELSE with that combination...

and THEN lost it after one of those 8 days as high bidder situations.

[Stogieman]

Yep, be careful crossing RR on eBay........ he has coniption fits like there's no tomorrow! Nice Trap. Bar Heiko!

[HeikoGrusdat]

Yes I remember , but often enough I am the looser of these "8 days situationes"... (saves a lot of money...)

any more ideas on the ribbon bar from the top?

[Daniel Krause]

Style is M1915, still no EK and the Bulgarian CVO...

I think either a Reserve or Landwehr guy or a Doc.

I did not find a single active or a la suite Officer apart of comrade Zei?, the head of the Marstall with a BC.

Still some hundred pages to check in the 1914 list.....

But maybe it turns out like with Graf Holnstein that he disappeared in 1905, 1908 or whenever from the listings and coming back a aD officer....

Time will bring it. But this combo is unique and WILL be IDd.

Best regards

Daniel

[Glenn J]

Rick,

Never will I forget missing Graf von Stillfried und Rattonitz on eBay

Nice picture of Count Stillfried as an Hauptmann in G.G.R.4 on ebay.

Regards

Glenn

[HeikoGrusdat]

yes I have seen it...................... now that the bar has gone the picture appears on the scene................ too bad!!!

[Guest Rick Research]

Heiko-- get the photo. That stolen bar is NEVER going to surface ANYWHERE without a global outdcry until it is returned to you.

Some day....

[HeikoGrusdat]

OK Rick................I will try to get the photo..................and I want to hear a loud loud worldwide outcry SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON and the bar knocking on my door again......