paddywhack

im sorry but how can a goverment tell ex service some 70 years after ww2 that they cannot accept the valour medals from another country!its not like there in the service!can the goverment actualy stop them being awarded say if they were posted to the vets addresses or if they went to russia and were awarded there?

this is the only P.S.Scrivener medal index card i could find!

patrick stermanns?

il take a look and see if i cant find out his name!

pretty sure its a british war medal and victory medal!

had a quick look for the mic and luckly it wasnt all lost in the move!the card gives what he was entitled to and all the info you would get on the regular medal card! plus theres 16 pages of service records on anscetry! if kev or jason want a copy just send me a pm!! jason could you post pics of the victory medal you have? be great to be able to reunite them )though hes also entitled to the 15 star but any reunite is great!!)

your welcome!always glad to help!!! :)

you are indeed correct impressed was a poor choice of words!!!they were indeed mobilized not impressed!! also mervyn iv been looking at Howard Williamson book on ww1 medals and the 32nd Field Ambulance isnt listed in that as being entilted to the mons clasp,also his MIC doensnt say hes entilted to it!can anyone see anything on the MIC to say he was entiled to the clasp? i have a suspicion it was add by the officer himself as the type of clasp is a tailers clasp not an offical issue one!

after doing a bit more research i found out that he seemed to have married a Dorothea Gage in 1921.Interestingly it seems here first husband Captain Arthur Purefoy Irwin Samuel of the RIR died on the 24/09/1916 at , at Ieperen (Yper) Belgium, (buried Ration Farm (la Plus Douve) annexe, Heuvelland, West Vlaanderen), Also if you notice on his medal card its a "SR" on it, that means he was in the RAMC Special Reserves,theres a good article from the British Medical Journal from 1919 on what the Special Reserves was! basicaly they were civil doctors who were impressed into the army! http://www.ncbi.nlm....2343742/?page=1

so thomas warrington was born in Luton, Bedfordshire, England in 1889.the 1901 census has him as a scholar with the 1911 census has him as a medical student,.iv had a quick look on the London Gazette and it has him being announced as a Lt on the 21st april 1914 with the rank being confirmed on the 16 june 1914.i cant find any other entries but the LG is a nightmare to use so il give it a try later! he was there with the BEF so its a nice group to a officer who was there at the very start of the war!cant see on the medal car dif he was entilted to the clasp ut theres a good change he was! i couldnt find a date of death but after looking on the Uk medical register,hes not listed after 1955 so either he retired or was deceased after this year! iv posted a pic of his medal index card as the one you got off the national archive is probably black and white and i dont think its has a scan of the back! if i find any more info il post it for you!! 21st April Gazette entry http://www.london-ga...8823/pages/3296 16th June Gazette entry http://www.london-ga...8840/pages/4704 (there id say is at least 2 more LG entries and il try and find them for you to!)

whats the name on the medals?the going rate would still be about 250-350 upwards for this set as its a common enough officers rank but has a mons bar!but post the name and il see what i can find out about him for you!

id keep the ribobns with the medals as they survived 70+ years with the medals and are part of them! id did a search as well on ancestry but there are just to many mckennas to get your man sadly so unless he was mentioned in the london gazzette its going to be VERY hard to find him sadly!but still a very very nice group!!! :)

as a RAMC collector iv seen them go from anything from 60 sterling to 300+ depending whats on it but an average trio with 1915 star would be about 80-115 also check to see if the service paper survived as that will effect the value as well!!they show up on ebay but the buy it now ones normally are over what you should pay!just keep an eye out and youl pick one up no problem!

can you post the name and service number of both of them?thanks!

ancestry has now the rolls up to research these on line instead of going to kew(if you have an ancestry membership that is!!)! heres the link!!! enjoy!! http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=2456

id love to know where he got his info from!!!

yeah im lucky that my better half is actually a little bit interested in my collecting!! if you ever want to get rid of her il be first in line for it!!! :beer:

check out the description on this ebay listing!!!! i didnt know these were so rare!!if they are sweet iv got tons of em!!!!! http://www.ebay.ie/itm/RARE-British-soldiers-war-medal-victory-medal-ribbon-bar-Somme-battlefield-/300617035927?pt=UK_Collectables_Militaria_LE&hash=item45fe2bf097

i was bidding on this and meant to bid higher but got distracted by the better half and forgot to bid again!! very nice bar though!! an ID might be possible with the devices etc! :beer:

that to me looks like a modern naming!if you look at the currant naming of british medals it is very similar and as has been said why would you sell such a rare medal on ebay when you could get a better price at the main auction houses!!

sweet jesus dont say that!with noors luck it might just BE a vc!!!!! ;)

hows about.......... Victoria Cross Navy Distinguished Service Cross Foreign Medal - order of the rising sun!!!! makes sense!! ;)

sounds indeed like a serious piece of metal and sound like peninsular GSM!!any name on the medal?

you might be able to locate why he got it but very often they dont record why he got it just when!his unit war diary might have a mention of it!it is lovely group and the extras really add to it!!!! GREAT group! :love:

heres his medal index card!looks like he entered france in 26-7-15 and i think he was demobbed in 18-3-19 cant find his service papers so looks like there gone and no pension from what i can! probably about all we can find out about him unless you get a DOB! LOVELY group for a nice mid war action!!!