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Jock. I agree with you to some extent ................. I'm a purist as well. I'd never mix copies with originals in the same display. But these early Souvals can't just be written off as junk. It's a bit like collecting 19th Century Gerz copies of Renaissance Westerwald pottery, or Victorian copies of medieval armour. These copies are now bona fide antiques in their own right. Old copies themselves become collectable as the years pass ................... If they are of sufficiently good quality.
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Hello Alex. I often think that the hollow L/58 Souval Oaks were a bit like the original hollow Oaks for the PLM .................... this was the PLM of GFM von Mackensen.
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The price of early (L/58) Souvals seems to be going up. These Oaks sold today on eBay ........................... minus the ribbon ................................. for 322 Euros !! They were properly advertised as Souval copies ............... so the buyer knew what he was getting.
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Hello Alex. Thanks for the info on the 1970s 4-piece lightweight construction. I didn't know that .................. about the 4 pieces. Explains the weight. Or lack of it !! I also bought one of these later lightweight Souval 'RK O&S' things when I was about 15 years old ................. around 1973, I think. Seller said it had been found at a Luftwaffe base at the end of the war. Sold it to me for £150. That was BIG money for me, back then. Even as a wet-eared youngster, I concluded it was fake when I compared it to my much better made original EK2 ................ bought for £3 from Stan Paget in Dundee in 1970 ............. and (luckily) got my money back. We learn from our mistakes !! As I recall, the lightweight looked something like the pix below ................... Thanks again for this info.
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PS - Early 1960s Souvals ('L/58') were much better than the later (1970s) examples !! ...................
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Alex. Since German firms could not legally produce items with swastikas after 1945, the Austrians filled the gap for their veterans ! Many 'old Nazis' wore early Souval items to their regimental reunions in the 1960s. 'Early' Souvals = stamped 'L/58'. By the way, Mohn was definitely in 'Colditz'. Reinhardt and Kessler were in 'Secret Army'. Before 'Allo, Allo' with Rene et al. Happy days !! :)
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The cross on the right was brought back by a British vet in 1946 ...................... Price of a Souval as against an original ................................ Good value, I think. Best of all, Major Mohn might have worn a Souval in the 'Colditz' series from 1974 !! Finally, if the cross on the right is the best that the Bavarian State Army Museum at Ingolstadt could come up with when I visited there in 1998, I'd rather have a 1960s Souval !!