Bernd D

I can not tell you whether it is Godet or not. It is not marked. No 6 is th ribbon for Saxon war merit cross with swords which do not belong to it.

Lately I came across this nice little bar. Major Eugen K. Unfortunately a fool removed the clasps KAMERUN 1904 and 1906. The combination of both Hohenzollern orders with the PKO4x is quite unique I guess.

The rolls of the Bavarian Military Merit Order, 1866 - 1922, will be published next year. Bernd

It would be interesting to know which bars you are researching?

I do no know the official producer of the crosses. I guess nobody does by now. I do not know whether Godet or somebody else produce them or not. According the dress regulations of 15 May 1899 : Auch zum kleinen Dienstanzug (Waffenrock, ?berrock, Litewka) werden stets getragen: Orden pour le merit, Eisernes Kreuz 1. Klasse und Jerusalemkreuz. That means you alway have to wear it and therefore you need a second piece. If you can afford it. One for the medalbar another one for the military dress. So somebody did those old wearers editions. The pictures of Morgen and Leuthold show this regulation.

He is not listed in the DOA. As always, Godet can help you.

Well, we all know that the DOA is incomplete and not an official document.

It is Kurt von Morgen.

Tell me the name and I show you the picture. It is an easy one.

Just a guess. Crew lists: - SM Yacht Hohenzollern 307 - SMS Hela 169 - SMS Hertha 478 - SMS Loreley 50 Total 1004 + Mirbach (- navy) 141 Is a total of 1.145 possible recipients. And a lot more of special makings.

But you will find this one in the list. In the DOA 1908/09 only 5 crosses, out of ???, are listed.

I have read somewere that also women received the Cross. It it also according the rules. About the Mirbach list: I do not think that everybody on it got the cross. In my opinion only those persons got it who were officially invited to the journey. On the other hand lots of navy personal on the ships got the cross but are not listed. There are quite a few medalbars around with the cross worn by former sailors. They are very hard to research. Some time ago Heiko sold a nice medalbar but it is impossible to find out to whom it belonged. By now I did not find anything about the cross in the archiv.

The Jerusalem Cross is a very nice piece of jewelry, but not a genuine one. And I don?t think it belong to this bar. It should look like this. Bernd

I think this picture us a little bit better. Colonel Schultze with his medal bar, 1944.

Your are right. He is wearing the Jubilee Medal, Rupprecht Medal in bronze, Kyffh?user, Wedding medal and Landwehr LS 1. class on the bar. He received his EK II in 1914 and BMVO4XKr in 1914. He was a Major dLw in the Bavarian 3. FAR during WWI. Nothing is impossible. I also have a bar of a later General (WWII) who is not wearing three war decorations (2 from WWI and 1 WWII) and not the Centenar medal.

Rick, he didn?t wear it on his medalbar. Same person in 1933. Have a look at the medalbar and the neck. Unfortunately the BMV4XKr is hiding on the first picture. On the second I do not see a BMVO on the ribbonbar Bernd

I found a buttonhole decoration. THis photo was made 1941 at a parade of WWI veterans. You can see the MVO 4 with crown and swords clearly. Nothing ist impossible!

Sorry Daniel, but I don?t think a General will wear a MVO4x on the ribbon bar when he got a 2x (in gold). We know that a lot of soldiers mixed up their bars in sequence, with skipped decorations and sometimes showing more than they got. But I don?t think a General will wear five classes under worth.

Well it realy looks like Ohling, but there is a mistake in ribbon. Crown-Order 4x ? 1906 OV3cx ? 1906 Both for GSWA. O. stayed in GSWA 1905-1909. He was promoted Lieutenant 18 January 1901. So he got the China-Medal, combat or non-combat and the GSWA-Medal and not the Colonial, i.e. wrong ribbon.

I do not think the name is Sachs. I suggest Korvettenkapit?n Sack. (Out of the list of M. Bodeux) He got the Spanish order 18th August 1888.

Heiko, you are right. I mixed up the names Schabel and Schnabel. Nevertheless Schabel had the 4th class with crown but returned it 1914 in order to get the MVO 2nd class. He also got the MVO2nd class with swords during WWI. So still no MVO on his medal bar during/after WWI.

I?m sorry to say, but a von Schnabel never got a Bavarian MVO. It is not his bar! Bernd

Lt. Hau?ding, FAR 54, was posted to the Schutztruppe for GSWA on 10. October 1911. Promotions: Lt 27.01.1904, Olt 27.01.1913, Hptm 24.12.1914. No decorations known. Bernd

I had been at the auction, too. When I heard the price I couldn?t believe it. Wasn?t it a bit too expensive? Bernd

He is not listed in the Kolonialblatt between 1907 - 1910. Bernd